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Son offered 100% bursary, but suddenly wants to go to the local school - AIBU to overrule???

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Abettertime · 04/03/2024 19:13

Nervous about posting this for fear of flaming from the indie school haters but need some help!

My eldest child dreamed of private school. The local state provision is fine, but no frills and at the open day, the teachers seemed disinterested. They begged to try for a bursary at the local indie. I thought it was a very long shot but didn’t want to not allow them the opportunity to try, so entered them. They sat the exams, and did well enough (and we are poor enough) to be awarded a large bursary. They had a bit of a wobble and it was made clear that it was their decision, but guided on making decisions for their education rather than friends who may come and go. Two years on, and they are loving it. So happy with their decision. They are now flying very high academically, and having lots of exposure to things they would never normally have access to. In orchestra, rock band, dance class, all at no cost extra £ to us. They have loads of friends, partly due to the access to so many like minded people, and also have had excellent pastoral support through a long illness. Being on a bursary does not hinder them; they have plenty of army kid friends who from similar backgrounds, and also some very wealthy friends. It’s a genuine non-issue.

Whilst eldest has been at said school, middle child has been very clear that they will join them. Gave reasons of, lot of work but the education is so much better. Has seen what the school has to offer and was very impressed at open days. Did private prep at home to prepare; was clearly up for going. Asked lots of questions over what would happen if he didn’t get a bursary (which were all pretty much avoided or answered with - cross that bridge type response). Sat the exam (and for only this school; he was clear he would not go to any other if he got in). Worried that he failed, but instead got in and offered 100% bursary, due to doing well in the exam. He immediately said, I might not go…

We initially entertained, hoping he’d come round. Dear reader, he has not. He is now adamant that he wants to go to the local school, but will give no reasons. He is not popular at school; he has two friends, one of which is going to a school out of area, and the other will go the same school, but a different year. He is a bright child who is engaged in everything, there are many clubs which will appeal to him. He would like to work in tech when he’s older. The private school has double IT lessons every week, plus further coding clubs. The state has a 6 week provision every year. Conversations about this go nowhere.

We are now at stalemate, and after telling him that he needed to go, this has become unpleasant. We have explained that he won’t get another chance as bursaries are only available at this entry point, we can discuss after a couple of years, this is the opportunity of a lifetime, and it’s like a lottery win. His viewpoint is, he wants to go to the local school and we said he could choose. (It was up to him if he sat the exam.) We have explained that we thought we would allow that, but now that he has, we realise that it’s the wrong decision in our eyes, and we are not ok with it. Explained that even adults make mistakes, and apologized for making this mistake, but were not about to let him make a bigger mistake.

He is closed to more discussion. We are concerned that if he goes to the local state, as an adult he will regret that we allowed an 11 y old to make such a huge decision. Or sooner; if he wanted to go in a year or two it would be impossible due to lack of bursary. We are also concerned however that if we force him to go to the indie, he will deliberately hate it (he is massively stubborn) and not engage, setting in bad habits which might be set even if he moved.

So. AIBU to force him to the private school? To be clear, if both children were at the local state, it wouldn’t be such an issue. I don’t discredit state schools; if my daughter hadn’t read so much Enid Blyton she would be at the local state now. We always knew he would get in as the bar is fairly low. I was very stressed about the bursary issue but prepared to sell the house in order to make sure both children were treated fairly.

Advice desperately needed!!!!!

OP posts:
Northernladdette · 05/03/2024 11:51

It’ll be all about the friends. He’ll make new ones and if the current ones are good friends he will stay in touch with them.
My marginal concern would be that new friends will probably come from affluent families, so money will be no object when it comes to activities outside school.
I’d encourage him to go on the understanding if he really hates it he could transfer to the state school 🙂

Mementomorissons · 05/03/2024 11:56

You have to decide for him. 11 year old cannot comprehend their future at all and your right that he might be disappointed in the future that you let an 11 year old decide

Mayhemmumma · 05/03/2024 12:04

I would insist, say we can review at end of year 7 but opportunity is too great a chance to miss.

Well done OP clearly two hard working clever kids, 100% bursary is amazing! (Really want to ask about your income and assets)

Emmz1510 · 05/03/2024 12:18

I’m afraid I would be putting my foot down on this. If he didn’t want to go, he shouldn’t have taken the exam and potentially deprived another student of a bursary (not sure how these things work?).

Manthide · 05/03/2024 12:44

The deadline to confirm the private school place must be very soon. I'd suggest he goes to it for year 7 and if he really doesn't like it he can move to a state school. Dd2 wasn't too keen to go to private school though dd1 was already there but she loved it.

Manthide · 05/03/2024 12:49

oakleaffy · 05/03/2024 00:47

Lovely lad in our 'A' level class didn't get a single GCSE ..not one, bombed the lot.!...yet got 4 A levels at grade A levels{A* weren't invented at that time} in Maths, Chemistry, Biology and something else and got onto his chosen course at Bristol ...He said ''I just didn't give a fuck about school''.

If your son is academically capable @Abettertime , he will do well wherever he is.
It's his happiness that counts.

Edited

My cousin's boy was similar. Left school at 16 with no qualifications (he's about 40 now) to stack shelves at his local supermarket. A couple of years later decided to go to college to do his gcses and A levels and landed a place at Oxford University!

ScrollingLeaves · 05/03/2024 13:16

Northernladdette · 05/03/2024 11:51

It’ll be all about the friends. He’ll make new ones and if the current ones are good friends he will stay in touch with them.
My marginal concern would be that new friends will probably come from affluent families, so money will be no object when it comes to activities outside school.
I’d encourage him to go on the understanding if he really hates it he could transfer to the state school 🙂

I disagree as I think they won’t all necessarily be affluent, especially not after paying the fees in many cases. There will be other bursary children too.

There can also be affluent people at comprehensives in expensive £million house suburbs too!

Merseymum992 · 05/03/2024 13:17

YABU for calling it an "indie school".
Weird.

Dontblameitonsunshine · 05/03/2024 13:30

Tell him it’s an adult decision. Send him. In your own mind make an allowance that you’ll pull him out of he’s miserable. But have him start there. Maybe he’s worried about the pressure. I bet it’s an emotionally driven decision and he doesn’t know why he feels compelled to avoid the school. Like his emotions are all tangled up

Apolloneuro · 05/03/2024 13:40

Chylka · 04/03/2024 19:24

I’d say he must try it for year 7 - because he can’t try the other school and then still have this option on the table. And you can reassess.

I agree with this.

FunnysInLaJardin · 05/03/2024 13:48

I am a strong believer of letting kids make their own decisions.

So that is what I would do. I've seen schooling forced on a child and it backfired badly

Araminta1003 · 05/03/2024 13:48

Is he just scared that he will have to do more work there?

I had similar with one of mine but with grammar school. Last minute he turned round and said he was not going. After much digging, it turned out that some friends at school had said it is only for the nerds etc etc - they all get very worried about transition at this time of year, parents talk about it constantly etc. at home and it can become quite an anxious time for them at school. I bet someone at his primary school said something about poshos at private school. You need to overrule.

MissCamden · 05/03/2024 13:50

the private school without a doubt. Get creative and make it look like it was his decision after alll

Mummyoflittledragon · 05/03/2024 13:51

My dd is at private school. She joined the school in year 9 having refused to go for year 7. She didn’t look back. She is a very stubborn person and I left her to make her decision as she is better seeing the consequences of her actions.

When she wasn’t getting on well in state school (lockdown was years 7 and 8 for her), and at the end of year 8, I suggested she reconsider. I thought no more about and suddenly at the end of the summer holiday she realised she didn’t want to go back to her state school.

You don’t have this luxury so I would tell your ds it is happening. Idk if dd would have been ok for me to make the decision at the time. Knowing her, she might just have purposely tanked the entrance exam! Your ds has been accepted. I’d just go for it!

FrustatedAgain · 05/03/2024 13:53

He's a child, and you are the parent, you need to parent him here.
Tell him he is going there and he needs to give it a good try, and if there are issues you'll consider a move after the first year.

johnd2 · 05/03/2024 13:53

The reason he won't tell you is because he doesn't trust you with the information! He knows that your goal conflicts with his. Your goal is to persuade him to go, and his is to make the decision he is happy with for himself.
You need to get his trust first somehow, then accept that it's his life not yours.
Ok my post is an oversimplification but at the end of the day forcing him isn't going to help him to trust you more.

No1toldmeaboutit · 05/03/2024 13:57

I think it’s up to you to make the decision as a parent.

I sent my son to a different school than all his friends and his sister. He was not ok with it at all, cried, kept telling me hated it but now he has settled in and made new friends. Although not a private school it is a better school in a better area and he will benefit from it in the long run. Sometimes we have to make tough decisions that our children don’t like and I certainly didn’t like seeing my son upset but if you believe it is in their best interests then that’s what you need to do.

PoochiesPinkEars · 05/03/2024 13:58

Can you appeal to his pragmatism?

Tell him that you are sure he has his reasons for wanting to opt for the state school, even though he is reluctant to explain those reasons to you.

But that there is always a possibility that the choice would be a mistake or there might be factors he isn't weighing in which he can't possibly know until he has hindsight. Say that even the wisest people can't fully appreciate a situation in all its full picture until they are looking back on it.

If he can accept this is true, then trying the private school on for size keeps both options open.
Doing it the other way round slams a door shut.

Is he logical enough to reluctantly go with that?

jsku · 05/03/2024 14:06

@Abettertime
I think he is stressing about measuring up to his bug sister. It can be hard being a younger sibling of a smart well performing kid. I have seen friends’ kids reacting that way. And change of school is stressful as is.

My own younger kid also questioned if they have to go to Top School X just because their elder sibling did. I said - you’ll go as the school thinks you are right for it, and it’s the best school for you.

I’d be firm and not let an 11yo make a decision like that. Especially because he has no basis for making such decision other than emotions atm. That all would change by the time he starts school, and certainly after he spends time there.

PoochiesPinkEars · 05/03/2024 14:10

Maybe he's worried about being in his brother's shadow.
Would be good if he could share his reasons if they're fears you might be able to reassure.
If there is a pull factor for the state school you could weigh it up.
But, life's funny, you can't control him, you can only parent him as best you can.

FunnysInLaJardin · 05/03/2024 14:10

johnd2 · 05/03/2024 13:53

The reason he won't tell you is because he doesn't trust you with the information! He knows that your goal conflicts with his. Your goal is to persuade him to go, and his is to make the decision he is happy with for himself.
You need to get his trust first somehow, then accept that it's his life not yours.
Ok my post is an oversimplification but at the end of the day forcing him isn't going to help him to trust you more.

entirely agree with this.

A child I know had schooling forced on him - private incidentally - and it destroyed the bond of trust between him and his parents.

NotestoSelf · 05/03/2024 14:11

Doobeedoobeedoobee · 04/03/2024 22:23

I think it’s worth really trying to listen to him about his reasons for not wanting to go first and foremost. The casual posters saying “overrule him” on this thread make me feel uncomfortable

I know a number of other posters have suggested giving him a year but in all honesty if his decision is the same then, would you honour it?

I feel like you should (with support and understanding) leave the ultimate decision to him. You were willing to do so before- until you didn’t like the decision! Which isn’t really fair and I think he’s got a decent point that you’ve gone back on your word now you don’t like the outcome.

This. My 11-year-old has just chosen his own secondary school. It's not what I would have chosen, but ultimately, he's the one who will be spending six years going there.

brogueish · 05/03/2024 14:15

So interesting to read the responses.

OP, I hope you can get to the bottom of what's going on with your middle child. It sounds to me that they are concerned about not measuring up. It's easier to remove yourself from the competition than risk failing, sometimes. The try Year 7 and then we'll review it approach is good though.

I won a full scholarship at 11 too. I'd only wanted to take the entrance test because I liked tests (says it all really, doesn't it!), so the offer was not expected. My parents turned the place down in favour of the grammar though, I think really because of my dad's own insecurities about money and class. I'd love to have seen how far I could have gone there, but the school I actually went to was fine. Whichever school your middle child goes to, if they're bright and happy, they'll be ok.

(multiple edits for multiple typos!)

twingiraffes · 05/03/2024 14:16

I'd make it clear to him that he has these two options:

1 - he tries the private school with the bursary for a year, knowing that at the end of the year (or at any other time) he can choose whether to stay, or leave and go to the state school.

2 - he goes to the state school knowing that he cannot choose to leave and go to the private one, and he will have to remain at the state school no matter what.

Previousreligion · 05/03/2024 14:32

I also think you really need to somehow get him to open up about his change of feelings. It does sound to me like it has something to do with the exam.

It sounds like his sibling didn't study for the exam but he did. Is he naturally academic enough for the school?

I had an awful time at my uni interview and was convinced I hadn't got in. Was amazed that I did, but it made me have doubts about going there. But you don't turn down Oxbridge.... Tbh my gut was right and it wasn't the best place for me.

I also don't agree that an 11 year old can't make choices like these. I had extremely strong feelings on my secondary school choices and they were backed by good, sensible reasons. I do think he needs to discuss his reasoning though.

I also think it's unfair to take the choice away from him. If he shares his reasoning and it's not ridiculous, I would let him choose. Or compromise on the first two terms (emphasis on compromise, rather than force).