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Son offered 100% bursary, but suddenly wants to go to the local school - AIBU to overrule???

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Abettertime · 04/03/2024 19:13

Nervous about posting this for fear of flaming from the indie school haters but need some help!

My eldest child dreamed of private school. The local state provision is fine, but no frills and at the open day, the teachers seemed disinterested. They begged to try for a bursary at the local indie. I thought it was a very long shot but didn’t want to not allow them the opportunity to try, so entered them. They sat the exams, and did well enough (and we are poor enough) to be awarded a large bursary. They had a bit of a wobble and it was made clear that it was their decision, but guided on making decisions for their education rather than friends who may come and go. Two years on, and they are loving it. So happy with their decision. They are now flying very high academically, and having lots of exposure to things they would never normally have access to. In orchestra, rock band, dance class, all at no cost extra £ to us. They have loads of friends, partly due to the access to so many like minded people, and also have had excellent pastoral support through a long illness. Being on a bursary does not hinder them; they have plenty of army kid friends who from similar backgrounds, and also some very wealthy friends. It’s a genuine non-issue.

Whilst eldest has been at said school, middle child has been very clear that they will join them. Gave reasons of, lot of work but the education is so much better. Has seen what the school has to offer and was very impressed at open days. Did private prep at home to prepare; was clearly up for going. Asked lots of questions over what would happen if he didn’t get a bursary (which were all pretty much avoided or answered with - cross that bridge type response). Sat the exam (and for only this school; he was clear he would not go to any other if he got in). Worried that he failed, but instead got in and offered 100% bursary, due to doing well in the exam. He immediately said, I might not go…

We initially entertained, hoping he’d come round. Dear reader, he has not. He is now adamant that he wants to go to the local school, but will give no reasons. He is not popular at school; he has two friends, one of which is going to a school out of area, and the other will go the same school, but a different year. He is a bright child who is engaged in everything, there are many clubs which will appeal to him. He would like to work in tech when he’s older. The private school has double IT lessons every week, plus further coding clubs. The state has a 6 week provision every year. Conversations about this go nowhere.

We are now at stalemate, and after telling him that he needed to go, this has become unpleasant. We have explained that he won’t get another chance as bursaries are only available at this entry point, we can discuss after a couple of years, this is the opportunity of a lifetime, and it’s like a lottery win. His viewpoint is, he wants to go to the local school and we said he could choose. (It was up to him if he sat the exam.) We have explained that we thought we would allow that, but now that he has, we realise that it’s the wrong decision in our eyes, and we are not ok with it. Explained that even adults make mistakes, and apologized for making this mistake, but were not about to let him make a bigger mistake.

He is closed to more discussion. We are concerned that if he goes to the local state, as an adult he will regret that we allowed an 11 y old to make such a huge decision. Or sooner; if he wanted to go in a year or two it would be impossible due to lack of bursary. We are also concerned however that if we force him to go to the indie, he will deliberately hate it (he is massively stubborn) and not engage, setting in bad habits which might be set even if he moved.

So. AIBU to force him to the private school? To be clear, if both children were at the local state, it wouldn’t be such an issue. I don’t discredit state schools; if my daughter hadn’t read so much Enid Blyton she would be at the local state now. We always knew he would get in as the bar is fairly low. I was very stressed about the bursary issue but prepared to sell the house in order to make sure both children were treated fairly.

Advice desperately needed!!!!!

OP posts:
Meredusoleil · 04/03/2024 19:48

saveforthat · 04/03/2024 19:46

Yeah what does it mean? I thought it was a music genre

It's indy, as in abbreviation of independent (private not state) school.

solarised · 04/03/2024 19:48

MadamVastra · 04/03/2024 19:27

Indie makes my teeth itch

See a dentist

saveforthat · 04/03/2024 19:50

Meredusoleil · 04/03/2024 19:48

It's indy, as in abbreviation of independent (private not state) school.

Do people really shorten independent to indy now? I thought veggie was bad enough. Sorry will stop derailing now.

HDready · 04/03/2024 19:51

When I was choosing between two schools for secondary, my parents encouraged me to make a pros and cons list for each. It helped me think about what I wanted and to reach a decision.

TonTonMacoute · 04/03/2024 19:51

RoadToPlants · 04/03/2024 19:23

I’d just tell him he is going and that is the end of it. You’re the parent, you make the decisions, and whilst you take his views on board, in this instance he is absolutely going to that school. End of.

This. 11 is too young to make a decision of this magnitude which will mean he misses out on such a wonderful opportunity. He has to go and give it a chance, if he really is utterly miserable you can think again.

Let things die down a bit then try and have another talk with him. Sounds like something else is going on (first crush, unkind comments at current school maybe?)

I would ask the new school for advice too. If they have a taster day before he starts they can keep an eye out.

LewishamMumNow · 04/03/2024 19:51

You should ask your older child if they've send anything about the school to the younger one, which might explain this sudden change.

solarised · 04/03/2024 19:52

I would get whichever of the two of you he opens up to more to take him out for mcdonalds etc and ask more without trying to persuade him. Genuinely listen. It could be he doesn't want to be compared to his sibling. Perhaps he's heard other kids say it's uncool. Perhaps the school bully is going there.

Then I would say ultimately it is up to him,- his decision cannot be reversed and you will not be engaging in any conversations about how his sibling had it better in future.

MadamVastra · 04/03/2024 19:53

@solarised i did - she said loads of her patients suffer with the same complaint

Gagagagagaga · 04/03/2024 19:54

Tell him he can make a choice at the end of first year. Hopefully he will have made friends by then and be invested in staying.

Tell him he can change his mind but not without trying it.

SomethingDifferentt · 04/03/2024 19:55

I'm not quite sure i understand giving an 11 year old so much choice in his school. He's simply not mature enough to understand the implications

This. We decided which schools dc would attend. Leaving such a huge decision to a child is unfair (and unwise).

Shoutinglagerlagerlager · 04/03/2024 19:56

Dontforgetthesalamander · 04/03/2024 19:41

I'm not quite sure i understand giving an 11 year old so much choice in his school. He's simply not mature enough to understand the implications.

Agree with this. It’s too big a decision for someone his age.

He should go to the school you think is most appropriate for him. Don’t tell him he can leave at the end of Year 7, as he may never settle if he has that in mind. However as the parent just be prepared to move him after a year if he is unhappy.

PhoenixStarbeamer · 04/03/2024 19:57

For the sake of his entire future I'd say tough luck he's going.

shenandoahvalley · 04/03/2024 19:58

He's 11. He's not capable of making decisions that could have repercussions for the rest of his life. Overrule him.

If he's miserable by the time he's due to start GCSEs, move him back. Let another kid have the opportunity. Give him long enough to be stubborn and then not be able to help himself settling in and enjoying it.

I wonder if he's worried about being in his older sibling's shadow.

solarised · 04/03/2024 20:00

MadamVastra · 04/03/2024 19:53

@solarised i did - she said loads of her patients suffer with the same complaint

😄 fair do

Trufflump · 04/03/2024 20:01

It’ll be he’s either scared of higher expectations at a better school and doesn’t understand it himself. Or something really stupid like some kid at school said all kids who go to that school are posh twats. I’d just send him in.

Elpheba · 04/03/2024 20:03

I’d send him but make it clear you’re open to moving him at the end of year 7 so you keep lines of communication open. It’s a rational choice- he can move from independent to state easily but can’t the other way round. I think you’ve been fair to admit to him you made a mistake in saying he had a choice and hopefully he’ll settle super quickly and stay there forever!

Dweetfidilove · 04/03/2024 20:03

You decide. He goes for at least a year.

Topofthemountain · 04/03/2024 20:05

You don't have to do the same for both children, it is perfectly ok for one child to go to private and one state. You need to decide what is best for each child (dependent, of course on resources).

Treat him as the individual that he is, not as the younger sibling. I agree with others though about forming a list of pros and cons for both schools and take it from there.

POV coming as the younger sibling who went to state after older sister went private. Though I presume that it was ok for her to make the decision that she was not going to the local state school and would only go to a particular private school, it just isn't the other way round.

waterrat · 04/03/2024 20:07

I agree with the poster who said...gavel down case closed. Stop any pretence that he gets to choose..

To be offered a completely free private education in this way is life changing. And i dont even believe in private education!

But it just is clearly a much much..much...better school for him in this situsuton.

He can leave if he hates it.

Winnipeggy · 04/03/2024 20:08

Edmontine · 04/03/2024 19:18

Haven’t read properly yet - but why have you posted this in AIBU?

You could have attracted calm and knowledgable responses on the Secondary Education board …

Edited

How is this helpful?

yellowjumperoo · 04/03/2024 20:09

I was in a similar position. Son was on board and then wobbled. I told him that although we take his views into account we make the decisions. I told him he had to give it 2 full terms and if he did that and still wanted to move schools then we'd look at it again.

I think 2 terms is enough time to make an informed decision. I also sweetened the deal with some rewards and bribes- not ideal but in recognition of his suffering!!

First term was tough at times but he made friends and came around in the second term. He isn't interested in moving schools now.

I'd definitely try the independent school - class sizes alone would be enough reason.

Winnipeggy · 04/03/2024 20:11

If you're confident he will thrive there then you must be the adult and tell him he must go. You get to make the decision - he's 11.

Have a talk with your other child just to check there's no reason you're missing that he might not want to go there.

wombat15 · 04/03/2024 20:14

I would overrule him. He's only 11 and doesn't know enough about life to make the decision. Tell him if he is not happy after a year he can move to a different school then.

UpsideLeft · 04/03/2024 20:14

I'm fairly laid back but in this case I'd tell him it's an excellent once in a lifetime opportunity and that he has to go

MidnightPatrol · 04/03/2024 20:18

I’d overrule without question.

You are his parent and this is a huge opportunity for him.

An 11 year old can’t understand the impact of this choice, beyond probably ‘but I want to be with my friends’ - who, he might not be in a class with anyway at secondary school.

You do not need to negotiate with them over it, it’s in their best interests.