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Son offered 100% bursary, but suddenly wants to go to the local school - AIBU to overrule???

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Abettertime · 04/03/2024 19:13

Nervous about posting this for fear of flaming from the indie school haters but need some help!

My eldest child dreamed of private school. The local state provision is fine, but no frills and at the open day, the teachers seemed disinterested. They begged to try for a bursary at the local indie. I thought it was a very long shot but didn’t want to not allow them the opportunity to try, so entered them. They sat the exams, and did well enough (and we are poor enough) to be awarded a large bursary. They had a bit of a wobble and it was made clear that it was their decision, but guided on making decisions for their education rather than friends who may come and go. Two years on, and they are loving it. So happy with their decision. They are now flying very high academically, and having lots of exposure to things they would never normally have access to. In orchestra, rock band, dance class, all at no cost extra £ to us. They have loads of friends, partly due to the access to so many like minded people, and also have had excellent pastoral support through a long illness. Being on a bursary does not hinder them; they have plenty of army kid friends who from similar backgrounds, and also some very wealthy friends. It’s a genuine non-issue.

Whilst eldest has been at said school, middle child has been very clear that they will join them. Gave reasons of, lot of work but the education is so much better. Has seen what the school has to offer and was very impressed at open days. Did private prep at home to prepare; was clearly up for going. Asked lots of questions over what would happen if he didn’t get a bursary (which were all pretty much avoided or answered with - cross that bridge type response). Sat the exam (and for only this school; he was clear he would not go to any other if he got in). Worried that he failed, but instead got in and offered 100% bursary, due to doing well in the exam. He immediately said, I might not go…

We initially entertained, hoping he’d come round. Dear reader, he has not. He is now adamant that he wants to go to the local school, but will give no reasons. He is not popular at school; he has two friends, one of which is going to a school out of area, and the other will go the same school, but a different year. He is a bright child who is engaged in everything, there are many clubs which will appeal to him. He would like to work in tech when he’s older. The private school has double IT lessons every week, plus further coding clubs. The state has a 6 week provision every year. Conversations about this go nowhere.

We are now at stalemate, and after telling him that he needed to go, this has become unpleasant. We have explained that he won’t get another chance as bursaries are only available at this entry point, we can discuss after a couple of years, this is the opportunity of a lifetime, and it’s like a lottery win. His viewpoint is, he wants to go to the local school and we said he could choose. (It was up to him if he sat the exam.) We have explained that we thought we would allow that, but now that he has, we realise that it’s the wrong decision in our eyes, and we are not ok with it. Explained that even adults make mistakes, and apologized for making this mistake, but were not about to let him make a bigger mistake.

He is closed to more discussion. We are concerned that if he goes to the local state, as an adult he will regret that we allowed an 11 y old to make such a huge decision. Or sooner; if he wanted to go in a year or two it would be impossible due to lack of bursary. We are also concerned however that if we force him to go to the indie, he will deliberately hate it (he is massively stubborn) and not engage, setting in bad habits which might be set even if he moved.

So. AIBU to force him to the private school? To be clear, if both children were at the local state, it wouldn’t be such an issue. I don’t discredit state schools; if my daughter hadn’t read so much Enid Blyton she would be at the local state now. We always knew he would get in as the bar is fairly low. I was very stressed about the bursary issue but prepared to sell the house in order to make sure both children were treated fairly.

Advice desperately needed!!!!!

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solarised · 04/03/2024 21:36

Promise him he can keep in touch with his friend from primary school and have him for sleepovers etc. don't make promises like that. His friend might move on quickly

Abettertime · 04/03/2024 21:37

@Wildhorses2244 absolutely not. I always knew he would get in. He felt the exam didn’t go well and was worried he hadn’t got in. He was aware that he needed to do very well rather than just pass in order to be offered an bursary and that’s why we did the prep at home.

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Exasperateddonut · 04/03/2024 21:39

I was this child. I was left to make adult decisions.

It did not end well. Be the parent. Support and advise. See how the first year goes. Talk to them. Let them talk to other adults. Get them talking to a counsellor. Get to the root of the problem. Don’t make them make adult decisions.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 04/03/2024 21:42

Honestly he’s probably just panicking a bit. I agree with the force him to go for at least a year and then you’ll discuss if he wants to change schools.

You’ve already walked back the ‘letting him choose’ so I wouldn’t worry about that so much.

ETA:
I would try to get to the bottom of the change of heart… but honestly if he hasn’t given a reason he’s probably just got cold feet.

Newnamesameoldlurker · 04/03/2024 21:43

Exasperateddonut · 04/03/2024 21:39

I was this child. I was left to make adult decisions.

It did not end well. Be the parent. Support and advise. See how the first year goes. Talk to them. Let them talk to other adults. Get them talking to a counsellor. Get to the root of the problem. Don’t make them make adult decisions.

I was also in the position of your son, but unlike exasperateddonut my parents didn't let me make my own decision and I'm so glad they didn't. I was absolutely dreading going to private school where I didn't know anyone (despite not being particularly popular at my state primary, like your son!) I thrived at secondary school and made friends for life. Exasperateddonut has good advice- be the adult.

Daisymay2 · 04/03/2024 21:47

I agree with those saying overrule him. It is a parental decision. At 11 I don’t think kids are capable of such a decision. It’s not a choice between pizza or a burger.

NotARealWookiie · 04/03/2024 21:52

I was the kid who refused to go to private school. My mum listened to me. I regret it as an adult.

I agree with pp who said send them private with the deal they can leave after the first year if they hate it.

CaptainCarrot · 04/03/2024 21:55

I agree with PPs who say that this decision is too important for a child to make in these circumstances. He can't even actually explain his reasoning which perhaps means he doesn't have a reason. I would say that as his parents you need to insist that he at least gives the independent school a try. Of course, if he is truly miserable there you can then change your minds. But I would just tell him (in as unemotional way as possible) that the decision is out of his hands. Remind him of everything he liked about the school, of all the positives the school has to offer. But I would also tell him that after giving it a good try, you could revisit the situation in a year.

456pickupsticks · 04/03/2024 22:02

Abettertime · 04/03/2024 21:09

Thanks for all the responses. Really helpful reading different viewpoints. To answer a few general points:

  • Posted in AIBU for traffic and a more general viewpoint; it is not a straight private/state debate
  • The school specifically meets my sons needs, much more so than the state
  • I have no idea why he suddenly doesn’t want to go - he isn’t sharing reasons
  • older sibling thinks the middle should go. Has only been positive; I have overheard at least two convos to that effect.
  • Son has been for taster days and loved it. Open days at both.
  • son is the only child from his (small) school who will go.

Fairness to siblings. Yes this is an issue. In truth, if the eldest decided against it, this would have been an easy option. Their bursary is large, but has still meant sacrifices for the family budget, especially when COL really hit. I have also been incredibly worried about subsequent siblings not getting bursaries; a verbal provisional promise was made during the eldest bursary interview, on the rough proviso that their siblings did well in a similar fashion. Now we have one in, and the next one was completely up for it and suddenly not, it is a different ball game. This unfairness definitely grates with me.

Those who asked about the youngest. They are off the scale bright, and also very talented. Taught themself to read age 3, that sort of thing, consistently confirmed by school that they are top end of greater depth. I have therefore never been worried about them having an equal opportunity. The drip feed [and reason I didn’t mention them; didn’t realise I’d given the game away!] is that the youngest has always been clear they will go to the local state. They have a best friend, friends since they were 3, they want to walk to school together. Other than their instruments, they are not interested in anything extra curricular; likes to read at home. The school would therefore not offer the same opportunity so I was fine with this. Hoped they’d change their mind, but not the end of the world as they will fly high wherever they go. This child would also probably qualify for full scholarship at the local public school which starts a few years later. This school is an academic hot house and not suitable for my first two children who are very conscientious, even if they were offered enough of a fee reduction. (We know a lot of the staff there and I used to work there so I have a very good idea). The youngest doesn’t give a about anything so would be fine there. So yes, this debate is colouring that aspect also.

The poster who mentioned imposter syndrome is a good idea. Hadn’t considered that. He is a deep and reflective thinker so that makes a bit of sense.

And to those who said it’s time to be an adult. Well yes, that is what we will have to do. I do worry that he is so stubborn he will deliberately hate it however. It’s also a long day so he has to buy into it imo. We have said that if he hates it after two years we can have a discussion. My older one found Year 7 to be a massive adjustment year for change of pace etc so he would need to give it longer to have a go imo.

And finally to the one who mentioned the Sixth form opportunity. Good point, but you were so much older? Still interesting to hear your view tho.

Me on the sixth form scholarship. I'd say 100% he needs to go to the private school, and finding out the reason why he doesn't want to anymore is really the best you can do, whilst still telling him that yes, he is going. Validate his fears, discuss why he wanted to go initially, and then ultimately make the correct decision for him, which sounds like the independent school. Sounds like he's just gotten a bit nervous to be honest!

FirstFallopians · 04/03/2024 22:07

Exasperateddonut · 04/03/2024 21:39

I was this child. I was left to make adult decisions.

It did not end well. Be the parent. Support and advise. See how the first year goes. Talk to them. Let them talk to other adults. Get them talking to a counsellor. Get to the root of the problem. Don’t make them make adult decisions.

I had an ex who was from a pretty disadvantaged background, from an area that still did the 11 Plus (NI).

He had a few friends who were bright, but whose parents pushed adult decisions on them about whether to enter for the exam, or when they got the top grade letting them chose whether to go for the (very good) grammar schools or the local underperforming comp. It lead to each of them missing out not just on a better standard of education more suited to their abilities, but also the opportunities that come with it.

Of course your average 10/ 11 year old wants to stay with their friends and do whatever they think is the “safe” option that everyone else is going with. They simply don’t have the maturity levels to look at the long term consequences, and it’s not fair to pass the buck on to them.

makeanddo · 04/03/2024 22:11

Be the parent and make the decision. However be aware that it's not as easy as him being able to change schools if he doesn't like it unless your local state is under subscribed. If it's a good school then he'll only get in if there's a space and he'll have to go on a waitlist.

HawaiiWake · 04/03/2024 22:14

The option is join for Year 7 with option to leave for Year 9, GCSEs subjects selected.Sixth form is another exit point.
Try for Year 7 and Year 8.
Try and find the reason to want go to the other school; is there something that doesn’t gel….rugby? Prefer football?

Doobeedoobeedoobee · 04/03/2024 22:23

I think it’s worth really trying to listen to him about his reasons for not wanting to go first and foremost. The casual posters saying “overrule him” on this thread make me feel uncomfortable

I know a number of other posters have suggested giving him a year but in all honesty if his decision is the same then, would you honour it?

I feel like you should (with support and understanding) leave the ultimate decision to him. You were willing to do so before- until you didn’t like the decision! Which isn’t really fair and I think he’s got a decent point that you’ve gone back on your word now you don’t like the outcome.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 04/03/2024 22:27

Why on earth did you pretend that it was his choice when there was actually only one choice that you were prepared to let him make?

I'm not a fan of private education generally, but setting that aside for now, I think it's too much responsibility to put decisions about school choice entirely on the shoulders of an 11yo. You are the parents and while you can take his feelings and preferences into account, I think the decision should ultimately rest with you.

Where you have really messed up is in giving your kids the impression that it is for them to decide, presumably because you felt that you would be able to influence that choice in line with your preferences. Now you're moving the goalposts and you have completely undermined your ds's trust in you as parents. That's a pretty big deal as you're about to head into the tricky teenage years, and I wouldn't do it lightly. I'm not sure if even the most fabulous school can worth breaking that trust between parent and child - I would work on putting across your perspective but letting him ultimately make his choice, as you initially promised.

Delphiniumandlupins · 04/03/2024 22:30

It sounds as if he doesn't feel he deserves the full bursary, that he won't be able to live up to the expectations you/the school have of him? He didn't think the exam went well so had probably mentally prepared for not getting into the school. Hopefully if you take the pressure off him, by not talking about secondary school a while, he will be willing to talk to you or his father about the reasons behind his change of heart. Can you reassure him that he has earned his bursary and won't have to prove himself again?

Chickenrunning · 04/03/2024 22:33

To all those saying ‘give it a year and then review it’ - in my area you would not get into any decent state school via an in-year (ie any time after start of year 7) transfer. They are all oversubscribed and you would be left with a ‘needs improvement’ school.

Daisybuttercup12345 · 04/03/2024 22:35

MadamVastra · 04/03/2024 19:27

Indie makes my teeth itch

Me too. Very irritating.

justasking111 · 04/03/2024 22:39

Well no he can't make the decision. BUT I would say to him give it a year. Because if he's truly unhappy at that stage you wouldn't force him to stay anyway, nor would the school expect him to.

My friends daughter was unhappy so did change to a girls catholic school.

Your son is having a wobble.

Upallnight2 · 04/03/2024 22:41

Like others have said I would make him go too. If he really hates it after a year or so then reconsider

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 04/03/2024 22:48

saveforthat · 04/03/2024 19:46

Yeah what does it mean? I thought it was a music genre

People use it as short for independent school. But it’s very misplaced in my option because it gives the impression of an unconventional and hippie type choice. Whereas you can’t get more conventional than sending your child to private school.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 04/03/2024 22:49

In answer to the question I don’t think you’re unreasonable to make him go.

CurlewKate · 04/03/2024 22:50

What are the 3 top reasons for going to the private school?

lemonsaretheonlyfruit · 04/03/2024 22:52

I went to a local state school for year 7. It was ok but in a year with lots of teachers' strikes and the school was going through a few problematic years. I was happy there though (but not doing particularly well academically. I just liked my new friends!)

I came downstairs to go to school one day and my parents told me I wasn't going to school that day as my sister and I were sitting the entrance exam for a private school in the next town. I couldn't quite believe they just sprung it on us like that! I cried all the way to the exam and hated them.

I did end up going to the private school (it was not a really high end one. Just a 'good' school. As a not particularly academic or dedicated teen, it was the best environment for me.

I had no say in it and was 'forced' there against my will but looking back I did do better there than if I had stayed where I had wanted to.

My sister would have done brilliantly anywhere anyway but I was a bit rebellious so that environment kept me in line and it was the right thing to do.

What you are doing is very collaborative which on one hand is great as the young person feels listened to etc .. however I think you should trust your gut and do what you think is right for them.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/03/2024 23:04

Would the school allow him to go back and look around and talk to teachers of subjects he likes?

If so it could help him make a truly informed decision. It is difficult if he is stubborn and will make sure to hate it or not do the work if you ‘force’ him to go, but maybe you could say he needs to think it through properly.

What is the film where a brilliant mathematician is working as a labourer, and thinks he is doing right by sticking with them and refusing some special position with a university; but they get angry and tell him they would jump at his chance?

What does your older child say to him?

ScrollingLeaves · 04/03/2024 23:07

Delphiniumandlupins · 04/03/2024 22:30

It sounds as if he doesn't feel he deserves the full bursary, that he won't be able to live up to the expectations you/the school have of him? He didn't think the exam went well so had probably mentally prepared for not getting into the school. Hopefully if you take the pressure off him, by not talking about secondary school a while, he will be willing to talk to you or his father about the reasons behind his change of heart. Can you reassure him that he has earned his bursary and won't have to prove himself again?

This may well be behind his feelings.

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