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Son offered 100% bursary, but suddenly wants to go to the local school - AIBU to overrule???

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Abettertime · 04/03/2024 19:13

Nervous about posting this for fear of flaming from the indie school haters but need some help!

My eldest child dreamed of private school. The local state provision is fine, but no frills and at the open day, the teachers seemed disinterested. They begged to try for a bursary at the local indie. I thought it was a very long shot but didn’t want to not allow them the opportunity to try, so entered them. They sat the exams, and did well enough (and we are poor enough) to be awarded a large bursary. They had a bit of a wobble and it was made clear that it was their decision, but guided on making decisions for their education rather than friends who may come and go. Two years on, and they are loving it. So happy with their decision. They are now flying very high academically, and having lots of exposure to things they would never normally have access to. In orchestra, rock band, dance class, all at no cost extra £ to us. They have loads of friends, partly due to the access to so many like minded people, and also have had excellent pastoral support through a long illness. Being on a bursary does not hinder them; they have plenty of army kid friends who from similar backgrounds, and also some very wealthy friends. It’s a genuine non-issue.

Whilst eldest has been at said school, middle child has been very clear that they will join them. Gave reasons of, lot of work but the education is so much better. Has seen what the school has to offer and was very impressed at open days. Did private prep at home to prepare; was clearly up for going. Asked lots of questions over what would happen if he didn’t get a bursary (which were all pretty much avoided or answered with - cross that bridge type response). Sat the exam (and for only this school; he was clear he would not go to any other if he got in). Worried that he failed, but instead got in and offered 100% bursary, due to doing well in the exam. He immediately said, I might not go…

We initially entertained, hoping he’d come round. Dear reader, he has not. He is now adamant that he wants to go to the local school, but will give no reasons. He is not popular at school; he has two friends, one of which is going to a school out of area, and the other will go the same school, but a different year. He is a bright child who is engaged in everything, there are many clubs which will appeal to him. He would like to work in tech when he’s older. The private school has double IT lessons every week, plus further coding clubs. The state has a 6 week provision every year. Conversations about this go nowhere.

We are now at stalemate, and after telling him that he needed to go, this has become unpleasant. We have explained that he won’t get another chance as bursaries are only available at this entry point, we can discuss after a couple of years, this is the opportunity of a lifetime, and it’s like a lottery win. His viewpoint is, he wants to go to the local school and we said he could choose. (It was up to him if he sat the exam.) We have explained that we thought we would allow that, but now that he has, we realise that it’s the wrong decision in our eyes, and we are not ok with it. Explained that even adults make mistakes, and apologized for making this mistake, but were not about to let him make a bigger mistake.

He is closed to more discussion. We are concerned that if he goes to the local state, as an adult he will regret that we allowed an 11 y old to make such a huge decision. Or sooner; if he wanted to go in a year or two it would be impossible due to lack of bursary. We are also concerned however that if we force him to go to the indie, he will deliberately hate it (he is massively stubborn) and not engage, setting in bad habits which might be set even if he moved.

So. AIBU to force him to the private school? To be clear, if both children were at the local state, it wouldn’t be such an issue. I don’t discredit state schools; if my daughter hadn’t read so much Enid Blyton she would be at the local state now. We always knew he would get in as the bar is fairly low. I was very stressed about the bursary issue but prepared to sell the house in order to make sure both children were treated fairly.

Advice desperately needed!!!!!

OP posts:
theduchessofspork · 04/03/2024 23:12

I would encourage some conversation around it, and from there say it can be an ongoing conversation but he will be trying it out. If he’s not keen after a year you will review.

You understand why it might offer better opportunities, he doesn’t.

I went through a stage or saying I didn’t want to move schools having said I did. No idea why, just being a contrary tween I think. Anyway I did move and it was the right thing.

Mirabai · 04/03/2024 23:26

I would imagine he’s got some anxiety around it. If he thought he might fail but then got in, he may be having similar thoughts around going.

Personally I would overrule with encouragement to try and an agreement that if he really doesn’t like he can shift to the local school.

Due to the nature of bursaries that move is an option, the other way isn’t.

MrsToothyBitch · 04/03/2024 23:27

Have a chat as to why suddenly isn't keen in case of any bombshells but tell him he has to at least try the first year really.

That said, if he goes and plays up as he isn't keen, their threshold for putting up with him is probably lower than the local state. There was a boy in my year at the minor public school I attended who had previously been kicked out of/ removed just in time from Dulwich College. He'd wanted to come to our school in the first place and played up in protest at DC til he was asked to go away... pretty well behaved at our school.

Ohnoooooooo · 04/03/2024 23:46

Speaking from experience - don’t let your 11 year old choose their education.
the key I feel is understanding why the change of heart.
ask his teacher to speak to him to find out why

PivotPivotmakingmargaritas · 04/03/2024 23:52

I think you should discuss the fact he wants to work in tech and from his brother or the school show him how much more tech he will have access to over the state school. How it will be a better long term advantage if he wants to work in tech

I agree get him to try a year and then he can change

oakleaffy · 05/03/2024 00:47

Kidswhowouldhavethem · 04/03/2024 19:35

I was your son 40 years ago . I got a bursary to a private school,i had been in the prep and had passed 11+ and got into our local grammar. My parents sent me to the private school and I had the most miserable time ,hated it ,hated the nuns and didn’t work,got suspended a few times and left with cookery Olevel …have still got the certificate 😂
I went to our local 6th form college and got 7 OLevels grade As .

Lovely lad in our 'A' level class didn't get a single GCSE ..not one, bombed the lot.!...yet got 4 A levels at grade A levels{A* weren't invented at that time} in Maths, Chemistry, Biology and something else and got onto his chosen course at Bristol ...He said ''I just didn't give a fuck about school''.

If your son is academically capable @Abettertime , he will do well wherever he is.
It's his happiness that counts.

theprettywreckless · 05/03/2024 00:49

A year 6 child does not get to choose.
Im poor, opportunities like this would’ve never happened for me and never will. You know it’s best for him, there isn’t really a choice. He has the opportunity to be in a better position in life, but don’t give him the choice to take himself out of the running for it.

coxesorangepippin · 05/03/2024 00:50

I'd say there's no space at the other school, he's not been accepted.

So he's going to the other one.

PoorLittleEngland · 05/03/2024 01:03

I think it’s totally reasonable to insist that he tries it for a year, but will move him at the end of that year if he really doesn’t like it. But DO NOT do what my parents did to me. My older sibling was very naughty at the local comp, getting into all sorts of trouble. My primary closed down at the end of year 5, and my parents decided to send me to a posh public school for year 6. They said that if I didn’t like it there I could move to the comp for year 7.

I was absolutely miserable there, but in my head I only had to get through that year. However then my parents went back on what they said and said I must stay at the public school. I was devastated, and carried on being completely miserable before having a breakdown at age 14 and finally moving schools.

It’s fine to say try it for a year but you do need to really mean that and be prepared that he might want to move after that year is up. Please don’t say it if you’re not going to stick to it.

Chanxex · 05/03/2024 04:11

He’s 11. You tell him you’ve made the decision for him. To be honest I don’t really understand why you even have any indication he had a say in it in the first place

PurBal · 05/03/2024 04:21

You’re the adult. Once he starts he’ll soon settle and it’ll be fine. May take a few terms. As you say, you can always say he can leave after year 8 if it’s not for him but it depends how stubborn he is, one year won’t be nearly enough because it’s easy to “get through” a year and as PP said it’s not fair it you don’t mean it.

TammyJones · 05/03/2024 06:49

ArsMamatoria · 04/03/2024 19:24

You say he thought he'd failed the entrance test, when he actually did well enough to warrant a 100% bursary. Imposter syndrome? Is he perfectionist and anxious that he might not live up to his promise? X

Either way he must go.
My dh's cousin had this for a school fir dyslexia
Sobbing the lot.
Parents relented
Child is now an adult with far less prospect, struggled to gain employment and tells his parents-
You should have made me go.

jeaux90 · 05/03/2024 06:50

My Dd14 wanted to go to the local state school. For many reasons it was not going to happen. She went on about it for ages but as soon as she started the private school she lived it and flourished (she has ADHD and ASD)

You make the decision and tell him. Believe me he will settle in and forget all about the other school really quick.

This is parenting.
Our job as parents is to bring up independent adults yes, but he is a child and this is not a decision you should be handing over to him.

Maray1967 · 05/03/2024 06:58

EweCee · 04/03/2024 19:24

I’d be taking the stance of try the indie first and if you don’t like it, and can give robust reasons why, you can switch in state in a year. However, that’s not an option that would work the other way round hence starting in the indie first.

Yes, this would be my line. It’s a great suggestion.

Oakbeam · 05/03/2024 07:17

I would just tell him he is going to the private school.

That’s what my parents did in my case and it was the correct decision. I wasn’t even given any warning before taking the entrance exam, just woken up very early one Saturday morning and driven miles and miles to a strange school to take a test I had had no prep for.

My only concern would be that he may lose the friends he has made up to now. I did, although one made contact recently. After a 50 year gap.

Itsachange · 05/03/2024 07:28

I had this experience as a child. My reason for not wanting to go was I didn't want to be compared to my sibling who was doing very well. I was clever too, but she was very competitive and I did everything I could to avoid direct competition with her. It really didn't work to have us in the same place and when I went elsewhere it was much better. Might there be something of that going on- academic competition, or social and your youngest not wanting to be compared/ in a shadow?

AMouseLivedinaWindMillI · 05/03/2024 07:37

He has no life context and he can't make this descion.
He has to go and try it for a year and half at least. He can always change after trying it.

ntmdino · 05/03/2024 08:12

We were kind-of in your position with our daughter (only child, mind), only slightly earlier in the process - she could easily have breezed the scholarship exam, but chose to tank the exams instead because her grandmother advised her that it was better to be with her friends.

She's regretted it ever since, not least because she wanted to be a vet for her entire life, but the school based her predicted grades on her demographics (as was mandated at the time), and then - without telling us - didn't let her sit the higher GCSE papers in most subjects, even though her actual work indicated that she'd have easily got As and Bs across the board. Their logic was that they're measured on how many children achieve their government-predicted grades, and they're a failing school so they needed to ensure it didn't get worse.

As a result, she couldn't get into the right A-level courses at any local institution, and therefore couldn't study veterinary science at university. She was so disillusioned with the education system that she couldn't face re-doing her GCSEs, so she just did whatever A-levels she could get into and went to university on a course that she could barely stomach, just to have a degree, and is now in a career she can't escape without being dependent on other people for money.

It's an insane world where choices made at 11 can affect the rest of your life, but it really is true.

Smerpsmorp · 05/03/2024 08:36

EweCee · 04/03/2024 19:24

I’d be taking the stance of try the indie first and if you don’t like it, and can give robust reasons why, you can switch in state in a year. However, that’s not an option that would work the other way round hence starting in the indie first.

This - you can’t try state school and see if you love it, but you can private school.

I am really opposed to private schools ethically (teacher and have worked in state schools my whole life) but unfortunately my morals would waver quite easily if someone told me it was free for my children.

frankly the opportunities are better and he should go there, if he hates it he can leave and go to the state school - but frankly I’d just tell him he unfortunately doesn’t have a choice and this is because he’s 11.

snoringroommate · 05/03/2024 08:43

This happened to us with my first son. Turned out when he told his friends that he'd got in to the private school, he got relentlessly teased ! Called "posh boy", "snob" etc.
could something like that have happened.?
Anyway we stuck to our guns, told him he was going and promised if he wasn't happy after term one we could look at moving him.
Took him less than 24 of attending to meet his friends for like, and to absolutely adore the place. Best decision ever

StrawberryEater · 05/03/2024 08:51

I have so little patience for this. I get that it’s helpful for a child to want to go to the parents’ choice of school, but frankly, it is not their decision. They are 11 FGS. You wouldn’t let an 11 year old make decisions about some fairly minor things, why on Earth would you let them make a decision about something as important as their education? They simply do not have the capacity to understand why it is so important.

Of course you’re not unreasonable to make him go. The decision is yours, not his.

icanteven · 05/03/2024 08:54

We had this - younger dc wanted to go to local state with school friends instead of private with older sibling, but we "were the adults" as phrased upthread, and sent them to the independent school we had chosen with their best interests at heart, and they are blissfully happy.

Send your child to the best school available. Don't even hestitate.

icanteven · 05/03/2024 08:58

snoringroommate · 05/03/2024 08:43

This happened to us with my first son. Turned out when he told his friends that he'd got in to the private school, he got relentlessly teased ! Called "posh boy", "snob" etc.
could something like that have happened.?
Anyway we stuck to our guns, told him he was going and promised if he wasn't happy after term one we could look at moving him.
Took him less than 24 of attending to meet his friends for like, and to absolutely adore the place. Best decision ever

We had this too. OIder child wasn't in school much in Y6 because of lockdown and was very solitary, so it didn't come up. But younger child was TOLD not to discuss it in school, and of course they told everybody, and got picked on as a result (ironically led by the child both of whose parents went to well known private schools and Oxbridge and have fantastic careers, but had now chosen to go state). A few other children in their class were also headed off to private and were more discreet, and had no issues.

Ariona · 05/03/2024 09:09

StrawberryEater · 05/03/2024 08:51

I have so little patience for this. I get that it’s helpful for a child to want to go to the parents’ choice of school, but frankly, it is not their decision. They are 11 FGS. You wouldn’t let an 11 year old make decisions about some fairly minor things, why on Earth would you let them make a decision about something as important as their education? They simply do not have the capacity to understand why it is so important.

Of course you’re not unreasonable to make him go. The decision is yours, not his.

I agree with this. Op you are seeing first hand with your older boy how much he stands to gain. And what a lucky set of boys to get such an opportunity, well done.

There has to be a reason he doesn't want to go, but I'm certain that it's something very minor but huge in his eyes. So you have time to work with him to figure that out. But the fact that he doesn't want to go there, based on not even starting there... you need to be the adult here and make the decision.

Could it be that he will be new and worried about friendship groups? I think private schools are very big on ensuring children have friends and creating that community amongst the kids and parents, so they will support you if that's the reason.

ScrollingLeaves · 05/03/2024 11:43

ntmdino · 05/03/2024 08:12

We were kind-of in your position with our daughter (only child, mind), only slightly earlier in the process - she could easily have breezed the scholarship exam, but chose to tank the exams instead because her grandmother advised her that it was better to be with her friends.

She's regretted it ever since, not least because she wanted to be a vet for her entire life, but the school based her predicted grades on her demographics (as was mandated at the time), and then - without telling us - didn't let her sit the higher GCSE papers in most subjects, even though her actual work indicated that she'd have easily got As and Bs across the board. Their logic was that they're measured on how many children achieve their government-predicted grades, and they're a failing school so they needed to ensure it didn't get worse.

As a result, she couldn't get into the right A-level courses at any local institution, and therefore couldn't study veterinary science at university. She was so disillusioned with the education system that she couldn't face re-doing her GCSEs, so she just did whatever A-levels she could get into and went to university on a course that she could barely stomach, just to have a degree, and is now in a career she can't escape without being dependent on other people for money.

It's an insane world where choices made at 11 can affect the rest of your life, but it really is true.

Edited

That is just awful. Could she do a science access course now and try again to be a vet, or at least do a science degree?

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