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My family/friends telling me to stay away from partner

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AliPineNeedles · 01/03/2024 11:08

My family and friends really dislike my partner. I met him in 2016 and we were together for 4 years. The pandemic hit us hard and we ended. He moved away, we didn't speak for almost three years until he came back to apologise. He's been in therapy, he's made life changes and is doing well. I ignored him at first but after some thought I replied. We spoke back and forth for three/four months until I agreed to meet. All my feelings came flooding back. We are long distance (due to him moving away) and are taking it slow. I believe he has changed. I saw a therapist when we broke up as I wasn't in a good place. He is 40 and I am 35. He was very emotionally unavailable throughout the relationship, but not a 'bad person', never aggressive but perhaps immature.

I didn't tell anyone else until we had been seeing one another for a while. And since I have the burden and pressure from them feels huge. My Mum (who I'm very close to) especially.

They think he 'emotionally abused' me in the past by pushing what he wanted, especially with regards having children. I had an accidental pregnancy two years in and he reacted badly saying he never wanted children. In hindsight I should have had that conversation with him sooner. He left me as I wanted to keep our baby, I had a miscarriage at 12 weeks (quite traumatic) and he came back. He now says he wants children and doesn't know why he reacted that way.

They didn't like how he made very little effort with my loved ones. Made excuses (and some white lies) to get out of seeing them. He didn't seem to prioritise me, sometimes he would even forget plans we had made. My friends also saw him speak quite badly to his Mum and sisters at times.

He was a very solo thinker, it took a long time to move in together and even then he seemed to be dreaming up buying houses in areas he wanted to live in that wouldn't have suited my life or my job. He would hide little bits about me, harmless things really.

He has apologised to me for all of the above. He said he was really scared and didn't want to commit, therapy has helped him with that and he's changed.
My Mum has told me clearly that if I am with him that she doesn't want him to be a part of their lives. He won't be invited for family events/Christmases etc. The time around the miscarriage really upset not just me, but my loved ones. They saw the multiple disappointments and upset ness and many of them think I am now being blind. I'm willing to give him a chance but the negativity surrounding it is becoming hard to stand. He says he will show them he has changed, but he also admits it causes him stress.

I just need someone outside perspective to wonder AIBU to give him a chance.

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AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 23:33

Part of me can see a good future and the good sides of him. I also am very fond of his friends and family and I missed the people in his life when we were apart.

Also, I think during the pandemic (and maybe also due to age - people settling down) my world has gotten smaller/I have gotten lower self esteem.

I also still think about 'our baby' we lost everyday. And please no comments for saying that, it was an incredibly difficult time and I ended up needing quite a lot of appointments due to complications in the weeks following it.

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TwylaSands · 02/03/2024 23:37

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 23:33

Part of me can see a good future and the good sides of him. I also am very fond of his friends and family and I missed the people in his life when we were apart.

Also, I think during the pandemic (and maybe also due to age - people settling down) my world has gotten smaller/I have gotten lower self esteem.

I also still think about 'our baby' we lost everyday. And please no comments for saying that, it was an incredibly difficult time and I ended up needing quite a lot of appointments due to complications in the weeks following it.

Is your motivation to het pregnant again by him? Because you are not thinking logically or clearly with regards to this jerk. You need more counselling, not to be in a relationship with a man who doesnt give a crap about you.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 02/03/2024 23:41

It's not the pandemic, it's your relationship that has caused the loss of self esteem.

It appears that no matter what anyone says here, Jo matter what family and friends say, you are determined to go back.

Everyone else can see it but you can't and people have no interest in giving you poor advice - people want to help you.

At the very least, can you allow yourself to go to individual counselling for at least 3 months to help you with your bereavement, your self esteem and how you view this man. Postponed any reuniting until then & see how you feel afterwards.

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 23:53

I think I quite regret taking him back but it now doesn't feel fair on him to now end it as I feel i've given false promises. He is so hopeful and I have been glad to make him so happy. This is why I am now trying to make sense of this, I want to not feel as though I have messed him around.

I almost wish I could just block on everything and disappear but I couldn't respect myself for that. (Would anyone like to come over and block him on my phone 😅)

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ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 03/03/2024 00:01

I don't mean to be smart but he wasn't very fair on you in the past.

I would send one message. "I wish you the very best but there's too much water under the bridge for us to ever try again. Please respect my wishes and don't contact me again".

Then block. Go to counselling anyway and move on to better things in life. You deserve to be happy.

Snowfalling · 03/03/2024 00:12

Op you will never ever ever get over how he treated you. and nor should you. where your is your projectiveness over your own self and wellbeing? Why are you more protective over him than your own self?

You could have a clean slate with someone new. Instead you're trying to forgive and forget unforgivable, unforgettable harm done to you.

Alwaystransforming · 03/03/2024 00:14

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 23:53

I think I quite regret taking him back but it now doesn't feel fair on him to now end it as I feel i've given false promises. He is so hopeful and I have been glad to make him so happy. This is why I am now trying to make sense of this, I want to not feel as though I have messed him around.

I almost wish I could just block on everything and disappear but I couldn't respect myself for that. (Would anyone like to come over and block him on my phone 😅)

What do you mean fair?

Just because you say you want a relationship, does mean you promise to always feel that way.

Its perfectly acceptable to say ‘I did want to be with you but I have been thinking about it and I don’t want it’

It’s more unfair to stay with him, if you don’t want to. It’s more unfair to stay with him out of pity and because you feel you can’t split up with him. It’s more unfair to stay with him because you view him lots little boy who needs another mum.

Catladyireland · 03/03/2024 00:16

I'm sorry for your miscarriage @AliPineNeedles. I hope I'm not overstepping but I think your feelings for this man are wrapped up in the baby you lost. I think you need to explore this in counselling, when you're ready.

He can't replace what you lost and you've a long life ahead of you. You deserve lovely things and lovely people

LiveLaughCryalot · 03/03/2024 00:17

The thing is OP, you've shown exactly what your willing to overlook to be with him. That's an awful lot of power to hand over to someone. Especially a prick. I wouldn't be able to look at him if had done to me what he did to you when you were pregnant. Just think about that. The only reason he came back was because you miscarried and there was no baby anymore. Twisted thinking there.
I do think your self esteem is on the floor at this point. You need to work really hard on that. I don't blame your family and friends one bit. I would never want to see his face again. You shouldn't either.

Snowfalling · 03/03/2024 00:51

You were free of him and his shittiness for 3 years, getting along nicely with your life, and he reeled you in again. I hate men who do this, give women just enough time to move on then weasel their way back in. its just sheer entitlement, like you belong to them and are there for them to pick back up whenever.

MariaVT65 · 03/03/2024 03:31

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 22:59

I'm better at expressing my boundaries now.

He has promised to do something for me this weekend, which he knows is important to me. He has made excuses for a week (tbh he's had a really crazy week) but I want him to show me he's a priority by sticking to this promise.

I don't like the idea of 'testing' him but I feel if he can't do something so basic, I will want to walk away. But I can already imagine the excuses he will make.

Please don’t base your decision solely off one thing. People can be nice one day and twats the next day or most of the time.

Catsfrontbum · 03/03/2024 08:15

You should not have to test him. Relationships shouldn’t be this tricky or convoluted.

samqueens · 03/03/2024 09:07

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 23:53

I think I quite regret taking him back but it now doesn't feel fair on him to now end it as I feel i've given false promises. He is so hopeful and I have been glad to make him so happy. This is why I am now trying to make sense of this, I want to not feel as though I have messed him around.

I almost wish I could just block on everything and disappear but I couldn't respect myself for that. (Would anyone like to come over and block him on my phone 😅)

Your mum would like to do that - why don’t you ask her?

samqueens · 03/03/2024 09:18

Well whatever happens don’t let him move in without legal paperwork saying he has no claim on your home. Don’t let him pay towards it ever. And always remember that as long as he is in your house (whether visiting or living) the police can remove him if you call 999 because you feel threatened or unsafe (and that doesn’t just have to be only physical fear).

I hope you read the Lundy Bancroft book… I’m not sure there’s anything else that’ll help you see sense, as you won’t heed your mum/friends, what almost every poster here is telling you or even your own instincts…

Would you want a daughter of yours to be so wracked with self doubt that she’d stay with someone who was bad for her just to avoid hurting HIS feelings?
Would you want her to be ok with a man blowing hot and cold, opting out of things he found challenging, leaving her high and dry when she needed him most?
Because if you stay with this guy and have a daughter with him then that’s exactly what you’ll end up teaching her (and worse besides) because it’s the dynamic she is going to see growing up…
Is that the kind of parent you are aiming to be? Do you think he is good enough for your children?

Takenoprisoner · 03/03/2024 13:27

@AliPineNeedles Raading your posts, you sound so passive in your own life, as though it's all happening to you, and you've taken him back so that's that. many things come to an end, people leave jobs, marriages end, he left you before, you can leave him now. How much freer would you feel without this relationship? and the burden of hurt you're carrying around? and having to see the man who gave you all that pain and who abandoned you so cruelly? why put yourself through that? My skin would crawl at the sight of him

AliPineNeedles · 03/03/2024 16:11

I wouldn't let him have rights to my apartment. I owned another apartment when we were last together and made sure of that at the time too.

Yes, I know I don't mean choosing whether to stay or go based on his action this weekend but I do think if he can't do one basic action he promised to do when we are trying to find our feet, that surely speaks volumes.

I think also what I'm not saying is I wasn't a passive person in getting back together. If anything I was very much an active participant in it as I got carried away

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Catsfrontbum · 03/03/2024 16:50

Did he do the thing you asked of home this weekend- sorry @AliPineNeedles if I missed that.

pikkumyy77 · 03/03/2024 17:22

AliPineNeedles · 03/03/2024 16:11

I wouldn't let him have rights to my apartment. I owned another apartment when we were last together and made sure of that at the time too.

Yes, I know I don't mean choosing whether to stay or go based on his action this weekend but I do think if he can't do one basic action he promised to do when we are trying to find our feet, that surely speaks volumes.

I think also what I'm not saying is I wasn't a passive person in getting back together. If anything I was very much an active participant in it as I got carried away

You absolutely are passive in that you act only to return to the status quo. You have the strength of the stubborn. You want to be back in that relationship and having that lost baby again. In therapy we call it “undoing” or repetition compulsion. The patient repeats the action to conquer it or undo it in the past.

But you can’t repeat the romance snd save the baby (snd your ego) by reengaging with this man anymore than you can cross back over a river on a collapsed and vanished bridge.

Let the dead bury their dead. Drop him, gently or brutally makes no difference, and voyage forward in your life. If you keep turning back, like Lot’s wife, you end up just a pillar of salt.

AliPineNeedles · 03/03/2024 18:00

Thank you @pikkumyy77 you seem to have a lot of wisdom and understanding.

Not yet @Catsfrontbum, it's a silly little promise that he mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I keep reminding him about. As we are long distance I suggested a shared online calendar which he has been promising to set up. (Also, I love your username!)

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beatrix1234 · 03/03/2024 19:04

AliPineNeedles · 03/03/2024 18:00

Thank you @pikkumyy77 you seem to have a lot of wisdom and understanding.

Not yet @Catsfrontbum, it's a silly little promise that he mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I keep reminding him about. As we are long distance I suggested a shared online calendar which he has been promising to set up. (Also, I love your username!)

If the guy is on “promotion” period to win you and can’t even keep a small promise I don’t even want to think what it will be like once he has you in the bag and no need for niceties.

Catsfrontbum · 03/03/2024 19:07

Ah thank you about the name.

I think the reality is that you’re not a priority. So I would put him back and concentrate on what sounds like a wonderful life in London. You will meet someone who truly appreciates you and loves you and will show you that every day.

ChimneySweepLiverpool · 03/03/2024 22:16

You are compromising, could be many reasons for it but if he isn't listening to simple requests like a calendar now then you'll have issues in the future. I don't think it sounds as though you and him have good communication

pikkumyy77 · 03/03/2024 22:31

Ah the old “communication “ thing. OP and her Ex don’t have poor communication! They have different goals in the relationship. OP fantasizes about having a good relationship. Her Ex is trying to figure out how he can fake the most while doing the least.

AliPineNeedles · 03/03/2024 22:44

I know people think I'm just ignoring the opinions on this thread but it has been on my mind a lot and I have generally felt pretty anxious this weekend.

I've noticed I don't want to point out he forgot his promise again because I can't tell what's rational and what's not with him. In a healthy relationship I'm sure I would just share my feelings but with him I can't help but think he's going to make excuses and bring up how busy he was

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pikkumyy77 · 03/03/2024 23:23

AliPineNeedles · 03/03/2024 22:44

I know people think I'm just ignoring the opinions on this thread but it has been on my mind a lot and I have generally felt pretty anxious this weekend.

I've noticed I don't want to point out he forgot his promise again because I can't tell what's rational and what's not with him. In a healthy relationship I'm sure I would just share my feelings but with him I can't help but think he's going to make excuses and bring up how busy he was

Look: this goes to my earlier point about trust. You don’t trust him and you can’t trust him because he is not trustworthy . What that means in practice is that little faults and mistakes will be magnified, to you, since you can never really believe they are accidental. Maybe they are—probably they are not—but your history with this man gives you no confidence in his good intentions.

I have been with my good husband 33 years. If he failed to do something, of broke something, or lost something absolutely the last place my mind would go was that he did it on purpose, or he meant to hurt me, or he was testing me, or any of the other things you have to think when you have been involved with an unreliable or abusive man.

The very fact that you can’t trust him enough to complain or question shows what a toxic and broken relationship this is.Please just throw the whole man away. Nobody has enough time in this short life for this kind of misery.