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My family/friends telling me to stay away from partner

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AliPineNeedles · 01/03/2024 11:08

My family and friends really dislike my partner. I met him in 2016 and we were together for 4 years. The pandemic hit us hard and we ended. He moved away, we didn't speak for almost three years until he came back to apologise. He's been in therapy, he's made life changes and is doing well. I ignored him at first but after some thought I replied. We spoke back and forth for three/four months until I agreed to meet. All my feelings came flooding back. We are long distance (due to him moving away) and are taking it slow. I believe he has changed. I saw a therapist when we broke up as I wasn't in a good place. He is 40 and I am 35. He was very emotionally unavailable throughout the relationship, but not a 'bad person', never aggressive but perhaps immature.

I didn't tell anyone else until we had been seeing one another for a while. And since I have the burden and pressure from them feels huge. My Mum (who I'm very close to) especially.

They think he 'emotionally abused' me in the past by pushing what he wanted, especially with regards having children. I had an accidental pregnancy two years in and he reacted badly saying he never wanted children. In hindsight I should have had that conversation with him sooner. He left me as I wanted to keep our baby, I had a miscarriage at 12 weeks (quite traumatic) and he came back. He now says he wants children and doesn't know why he reacted that way.

They didn't like how he made very little effort with my loved ones. Made excuses (and some white lies) to get out of seeing them. He didn't seem to prioritise me, sometimes he would even forget plans we had made. My friends also saw him speak quite badly to his Mum and sisters at times.

He was a very solo thinker, it took a long time to move in together and even then he seemed to be dreaming up buying houses in areas he wanted to live in that wouldn't have suited my life or my job. He would hide little bits about me, harmless things really.

He has apologised to me for all of the above. He said he was really scared and didn't want to commit, therapy has helped him with that and he's changed.
My Mum has told me clearly that if I am with him that she doesn't want him to be a part of their lives. He won't be invited for family events/Christmases etc. The time around the miscarriage really upset not just me, but my loved ones. They saw the multiple disappointments and upset ness and many of them think I am now being blind. I'm willing to give him a chance but the negativity surrounding it is becoming hard to stand. He says he will show them he has changed, but he also admits it causes him stress.

I just need someone outside perspective to wonder AIBU to give him a chance.

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pikkumyy77 · 02/03/2024 18:34

Op you recognize the wounded child in him. And that pulls on your mothering part (to use psychodynamic analytical terms) but the next step is to grasp that his wounded child part is fundamentally selfish and incapable of becoming a true husband or parent. All the mothering in the world won’t transform him into a responsible adult. He missed that step.

If he worked hard in therapy he might eventually get there—but by then he might have more choice in female companionship and not choose you.

You are in full on rescuer/savior mode. No doubt the more others point out how fucked up little boy lost is the more your instinct “I alone can save him” kicks in. This is where courage becomes folly and suppised selflessness turns out to be egotism.

Stop trying to rescue this man: you are not the patron saint of lost boys. And you don’t need to stoop to the bargain basement for a father to your child.

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 18:37

To try answer some questions @samqueens. He does all the travelling to me as he often works in London. His family home is here and he stays there as I'm not ready for him to be staying with me while he works. He is still in psychotherapy once a week. In terms of laying out forgiveness, I think it's based on waiting for him to show me he has changed. He hasn't been in a recent relationship and I know all his loved ones/friends so he couldn't be in another relationship as I know his movements. He would like to get married before children, I have never been super keen for marriage. I own my own home, he owns his with a friend and we have similar incomes.

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NothingVenturedAndAllThat · 02/03/2024 18:39

pikkumyy77 · 02/03/2024 18:34

Op you recognize the wounded child in him. And that pulls on your mothering part (to use psychodynamic analytical terms) but the next step is to grasp that his wounded child part is fundamentally selfish and incapable of becoming a true husband or parent. All the mothering in the world won’t transform him into a responsible adult. He missed that step.

If he worked hard in therapy he might eventually get there—but by then he might have more choice in female companionship and not choose you.

You are in full on rescuer/savior mode. No doubt the more others point out how fucked up little boy lost is the more your instinct “I alone can save him” kicks in. This is where courage becomes folly and suppised selflessness turns out to be egotism.

Stop trying to rescue this man: you are not the patron saint of lost boys. And you don’t need to stoop to the bargain basement for a father to your child.

I wish I could like this a million times. This is such crucial, valuable insight. OP please listen to this advice. Pikkumyy is bang on here.

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 18:42

When we first got back together I was looking into donation. Unfortunately my tests came back with not great results so I paused it for the moment. He did say 'why wouldn't you do it with me' which I shot down straight away so I have shown I wouldn't be jumping into kids with him.

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Bigcat25 · 02/03/2024 18:43

Look op, you say he has a great career and very close friend network. Hell be fine - he doesn't need you and only you to save him bc he had a tough childhood. If he wants a family now he can do that with any other woman in the planet. Why dies it have to be you?

I don't understand why you're willing to sacrifice your future child's happiness, your happiness, your mom's etc, just bc you feel sorry about his childhood?

Bigcat25 · 02/03/2024 18:49

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 18:42

When we first got back together I was looking into donation. Unfortunately my tests came back with not great results so I paused it for the moment. He did say 'why wouldn't you do it with me' which I shot down straight away so I have shown I wouldn't be jumping into kids with him.

Even that sounds kind of manipulative. He told you he wants a kid after marriage and now he's all "dontcha know I'm immediately available for fatherhood, why wouldn't you consider that"?

Even though you just got back together and he's glossing over the past fiasco like it never happened, implying you should too. Wake up op.

Alwaystransforming · 02/03/2024 18:52

So he has a good income; owns a house has a great network of family and friends. So he will be fine. He isn’t going to lay down and die.

He didn’t lay down and die when he left you to try and force an abortion. He wasn’t dead when he came back only because you lost your baby.

He didn’t lay down and die when you split up last time. He will be fine.

I think part of this, is that you need to convince yourself that you are so important and special in his life, that no one can have the impact you do. That you can make him whole. I am not sure it’s about saving him. I think it’s about you needing prove everything you went through with him before was worth it. It’s simply not true.

If you split, he will be a bit sad for a bit.

Alwaystransforming · 02/03/2024 18:54

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 18:42

When we first got back together I was looking into donation. Unfortunately my tests came back with not great results so I paused it for the moment. He did say 'why wouldn't you do it with me' which I shot down straight away so I have shown I wouldn't be jumping into kids with him.

Frankly I can’t believe he said that. The answer should have been ‘well last time you left me to manipulate me into an abortion and then only came back because our baby died, that’s why’

i can believe you can even look at him after that to be honest.

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 19:21

I'm very sorry for your losses @LividBath. I hope you have had happier times since x

Thank you @Alwaystransforming it has struck a nerve, which I took means I need to think about that

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AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 19:25

I found myself short with him on the phone tonight. It was tiny but I was irrationally annoyed as he finished work earlier than expected but didn't make an effort to tell me or join my plans. It's also not fair on him if I'm acting off because of my own confusion/hidden feelings.

I'm writing this here as I know it's irrational but I wanted to then send a text telling him I can't do this due to the distance/our past.

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Starspangledrodeopony · 02/03/2024 19:26

I could weep for women like the OP, seemingly intelligent but…..

He doesn’t need ‘saving’, but more than that, he sure as fuck doesn’t deserve it.

This path leads to constant heartache. You’ve trodden it before. Your wilful blindness is astonishing but so be it. It’s your life.

I just hope you don’t end up in the exact same horrible sad place, only ten years down the line. I hope you don’t wind up broken hearted, alone and childless, and wondering why the fuck you chained yourself to this selfish, narcissistic sinking ship. Again.

Alwaystransforming · 02/03/2024 19:44

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 19:25

I found myself short with him on the phone tonight. It was tiny but I was irrationally annoyed as he finished work earlier than expected but didn't make an effort to tell me or join my plans. It's also not fair on him if I'm acting off because of my own confusion/hidden feelings.

I'm writing this here as I know it's irrational but I wanted to then send a text telling him I can't do this due to the distance/our past.

Edited

It’s not irrational. Why do you think it is?

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 19:50

Thank you @Alwaystransforming

Because it's not fair to just text someone unannounced snapping that I am feeling bitter towards you, I want to end it. My body seems to be running in circles

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AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 19:52

I wouldn't expect anyone to drive two hours to see me just because they have a last minute evening free. Rational me knows this but irrational me kicked in because everything is feeling quite raw.

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Alwaystransforming · 02/03/2024 19:59

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 19:50

Thank you @Alwaystransforming

Because it's not fair to just text someone unannounced snapping that I am feeling bitter towards you, I want to end it. My body seems to be running in circles

It’s not about fair. Why do you need to be fair?

Its really ok to say ‘too much water has passed under the bridge, this isn’t for me anymore’

If he really has changed, he would accept that. He would accept that not everything can be forgotten. But also that even if you change it doesn’t mean everyone has to forget what you did.

That’s part of maturing and growing and changing. Accepting you have done shitty things, accepting that and doing better. Whilst also allowing people to have their own feelings about it and make their own choices. You accept you have no right for people to feel a certain way about you.

If he tries to convince, guilt or start making your responsible for his unhappiness, he hasn’t changed at all.

LavenderFlowers · 02/03/2024 20:42

If he loves you, you can at least communicate with him that you feel this way tonight and he can maybe help your current stress. If it continues then you may have to realise it's your body telling you he is causing you too much stress

pikkumyy77 · 02/03/2024 20:50

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 19:25

I found myself short with him on the phone tonight. It was tiny but I was irrationally annoyed as he finished work earlier than expected but didn't make an effort to tell me or join my plans. It's also not fair on him if I'm acting off because of my own confusion/hidden feelings.

I'm writing this here as I know it's irrational but I wanted to then send a text telling him I can't do this due to the distance/our past.

Edited

Its not irrational! Its the only rational thought you have expressed in this whole thread. Your fantasy that you are lady bountiful who should have no needs and no resentments is, frankly, just bizarre and not functional for a real person. Of course you don’t trust him! He is not trustworthy. Of course you are hurt by his lack of consideration: he is inconsiderate. No amount of self denial, self restraint, self control, self immolation will turn this capricious, selfish, neglectful man into a loving partner. Every time you bite your tongue he just figures he got away with it again.

pikkumyy77 · 02/03/2024 21:49

Real, complete love is 1 part passion, one part intellect, and one part trust/security. Those three parts can be differently assorted at different times in a long relationship. Ideally each one increases over time, or one compensates by growing when the other one shrinks. That is why we can begin with a lot if passion and little trust and proceed, long term, into a successful old married life with less passion but high trust.

In your case perhaps you have passion and intellectual curiosity/comfort but you do not and can not have trust since he is untrustworthy.

Stop and think how you are trying to get all your needs met when you can never get safety and trust from this man.

Catladyireland · 02/03/2024 22:45

Have you told him your boundaries and your wants for the future and make sure they align? Or what he is going to do to earn back your trust? I bet he realised what he missed out on now that he's 40

AliPineNeedles · 02/03/2024 22:59

I'm better at expressing my boundaries now.

He has promised to do something for me this weekend, which he knows is important to me. He has made excuses for a week (tbh he's had a really crazy week) but I want him to show me he's a priority by sticking to this promise.

I don't like the idea of 'testing' him but I feel if he can't do something so basic, I will want to walk away. But I can already imagine the excuses he will make.

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determinedtomakethiswork · 02/03/2024 23:08

If you were my daughter, OP, I would be so upset. I would be still celebrating the fact that you'd got rid of that loser and then up he fucks again. I would know that you deserve so much more than this and it would really upset me to think that you were going to stay with him.

SwordToFlamethrower · 02/03/2024 23:11

No no no no no.

Absolutely do not get back together with him!

Very bad idea. Move on! Old habits will return. You're both looking throughrise tinted glasses.

He had his chance and he blew it, have some pride and block the shit head

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 02/03/2024 23:16

Every single time you post there is another snipet of why you shouldn't be with this guy.

Do you really not value yourself more than to accept his behaviour. This is a man who left you when you were pregnant as you wouldn't have an abortion and only returned when you miscarried. That's what he is really like. Not a man who respects you, not a man who supports you, not a kind, caring, decent human being. It's cruel, callus, and selfish.

What's really going on here that you are so willing to overlook such horrible behaviour?

Is your self esteem at rock bottom?
Are you afraid of being alone?
Is your desire for a child (one he doesn't want) keeping you with him?
Do you not think you deserve better?
Do you think your friends/family/posters are all wrong?

You seem intelligent, resilience and like cone across as a very together person other than this massive blind spot you have for him?

Do you understand or can you explain why you want to be with him? It makes little sense other than the possibility that he has ground you down so much that you think you are worth nothing?

Timetogohome2 · 02/03/2024 23:24

I had a friend like you. Split up with a guy we all hated and when they did we were honest with our feelings.

Then of course he came crawling back and she conveniently forgot all the shit he did and how he made her feel, felt sorry for him as he had “changed” but nobody apart from her could see how much better he was.

Of course we were the ones in the wrong as we were not welcoming him back with open hours

Your mum is right in what she is saying to you

Treehuggingmutherfunkin · 02/03/2024 23:24

Don't go back ever