To think men just hate women?

[Justsomethoughts]

The more I think about it, the more I conclude that men must despise us. I think the news today about Wayne Couzens has got me pondering… My thoughts as follows:

Ive read so many threads on here about how little men contribute to household work.
Women are expected to do 99% of housework and childcare whilst sucking it up and looking pretty. This percentage doesn’t seem to change much if they also work. God forbid women complain (I refuse to use the word nag, a word only used by men when talking about women!) as they asked for a family and should be grateful they have a husband and children.

We should look visually appealing/maintain our appearance for as long as possible but not too much - that would be ‘asking for it’. If we don’t we will probably be replaced by a younger/more attractive model.

We can’t walk alone at night as we are at risk of harm (by men).

A very large proportion of female homicides are committed by males living with the victim

The list goes on and on. I know these aren’t brand new facts and obviously ‘not all men’ before people come for me but my god it’s so depressing when you think about it.

Hatred, and you don’t have to go very far on this site to see that.

I just think so many people are just 'scared', and uncertain about things nowadays that they either take some kind of offence/defence position from a particular range of 'stances' related to their own 'circumstantial' position.

Therefore, in a nutshell, I have found more recently an increase in unreasonable and unnecessarily offensive 'interactions' with men, restricted to those est age 40+years. 60% of these offensive interactions have been with single or gay men; 100% of all of these men have reasons to form a dislike of women. The context of the cited example involves nothing more than Gardening. I am a single, 60+ woman.

I think a lot of men feel a bit pussy-whipped nowadays by their female partners, ex-partners, mothers of their dc, their own mothers, MILs, female colleagues and bosses. Meanwhile there's a great mass of seething resentment from all the knackered women juggling their new role as [equal]earners as well as the traditional roles of child rearers, homekeepers and attractive adornments.

It's a sad, sad situation..and it's getting more absurd.

Precisely.

Forgot to add - I've found more open-minded and kinder male to female interactions from younger men aged under 30 and those of 70..

To clarify my negative male, interactions related to Gardening - the 100% I referred to were not all single or gay.

Apologies if anyone got offended by my lack of clarity.

This is kinda what I think. I don’t believe the majority hate us (although a large chunk of them do), but I do believe only a very small minority actually see us as true equals.
I even believe it’s subconscious at times. They don’t even realise their bias towards women but you can notice it in little comments or their attitude in certain situations.

Also, and I will get likely get shit for saying this, you sometimes see some of the worst examples of misogyny from gay men and trans women.

Is there not a thread with this title every day? Groundhog day around here?

and how many women do you know personally are ''beaten, raped and murdered, married off, fgm performed''?

Have you all seen this? Written by a straight, white male, no less. It describes how straight, white males get to play the game Life on the lowest difficulty setting.

It's a nearly perfect explanation of male entitlement, and the obliviousness that goes with it. Needless to say, it made a lot of straight white males very angry! Scalzi even went to some lengths to clarify that 'lowest difficulty' isn't exactly 'easy' for most players; they simply face less difficulty than a gay/brown/female under the same starting conditions.

It's brilliantly done. And perhaps the most remarkable thing is that men are STILL, twelve years on, fulminating about the unfairness of this premise. See, they don't only hate women - they also hate anyone who suggests that, just possibly, they have privilege.

Man: What level you on now?
Woman: Three!
Man: Three? You've been playing all day! I was on Five by the end of day one.
Woman: How?? I keep getting trapped. It's really hard!
Man: Women - they're just not as good at Life as men.

totally missing the point.

And look at mn and you will equally see the amount of sexism by women towards men, your post being a good start.

Ignoring your NAMALT, Wanda, you've just illustrated why it's so frustrating when men suddenly "get it" - or, more usually, a tiny bit of "it" - when they have a daughter. They chirp up "I don't want my daughter to face this", like they've galloped in on a shining white horse.

They have been surrounded all their lives by females, half the population. And they have never noticed the male-generated problems women face; they haven't even heard the women telling them about it.

They still don't see these things as problems for women. Only for their women.

They actually might not be any of those things. The only thing a man is guaranteed to be is a son.

Where are you finding all these awful men? Obviously some men hate women - just as some women hate men, judging by many of the posts on MN.

No man that I've ever known has given the slightest indication that they hate women. There are some who don't do a lot in the way of housework, that hardly means they hate women, and they are doing lots of other jobs which women maybe prefer not to do. All my friends are happy in their marriages, and have lovely supportive husbands. I even had a husband myself once - he did all of the cooking, a good share of the housework, as well as mowing the lawns and doing a lot of the gardening.

I don't like generalizations.

It feels similar to assuming most white people are racist.

Sadly, I think (most, not all) men see themselves and the male experience of the world as the ‘real deal’. Their incomplete understanding and mental laziness continues to be a blight on humanity.

I have experienced a few extreme men, but also woman tbh.

But ive never met a man without a low level inequality. Either in the sexual jokes, or assumptions if you interact in a topic they enjoy, i have automatically been assumed to be incorrect, and it takes showing them reputable research to validate my input as i automatically can't know anything they don't.
Being spoken over. Eye rolled at. Pushed into the road from pavement.

Or the conversation with a friend about equal roles, but it then went into how, but obviously I'd be better at housework, so i can provide equal finances on top of the "house roles".

Even my male family members have been like this. After i was assaulted as a young adult years ago, i came home covered in mud, the only response my dad gave was what was i wearing to provoke it...(a baggy jumper and jeans, not that it matters)

You only have to look at how assault cases are handled by the police and its assumed often to be a lie until proven otherwise and your put right through the mill to prove you didnt ask for it.

It's worse in other countries and i find that injustice disgusting.

Maybe i have just had a bad run of it, or live in an area where its simply more prevelent 😅

The more threads like this the more unwelcome I feel on this site. It’s so damn unhealthy.

Same in our family especially with both DS. No longer have GPs or FIL. Lots of love and respect for all the women from the oldest to the youngest (and vice versa)

I agree it's unhealthy. Never in my over 60 years on this earth have I ever encountered such hatred for all men.

This, not RTFT yet but I heard a man on the radio the other day discussing female football pundits and said "nobody's interested in what a woman's got to say". What a telling statement! Nobody, as in, men, being the only beings worthy of note and women, being other, not only not to be listened to but also unworthy of being a listener 🤦‍♀️

I don’t see how making overblown generalisations like this helps anyone or anything. Yes some men hate or undervalue women (and vice versa as this thread proves). The bigger problem is that our entire society & culture is biased against women. ‘Men’ are not a monolith anymore than women are, most men I know or encounter in life are decent & respectful of women. I’ve encountered my share of awful ones too but they are a minority.

I am concerned about the rise in misogyny spreading online via scumbags like Andrew Tate. I think much of it should be treated as hate speech and that men have a moral responsibility in combatting this.

Aw here we go, how absolutely dare a man open his mouth! Have a word with yourself, nowhere did the op state that only female opinions were welcome.

On MN I think a lot of women must be married to useless men. In real life, the men/dads I have met all seem to do 50% of housework etc, and when they aren’t at work at least 50% of the childcare work.

This. My dh pulls his weight & expects our son and daughter to learn to do the same. His friends are all the same and what's more, they'd call out men being arseholes about women. I have 3 men reporting to me at work & they are decent about doing their share of family stuff.

I find it interesting to read online the reactions of some men to women saying they are happily single. It’s a massive trigger for the type who want women at home, servile and dependent.

I commented on one post on YouTube saying I was happily single and unleashed a torrent of comments about cats and wine and how I would die lonely. Also that my job only existed because men invented everything.

I replied that I divorced a cheating and lazy man and couldn’t be happier with my children and my peace. That stoked them up again! Comments about enjoying living off the proceeds of his work. I advised I was always the higher earner and he was the lonely one now.

I think these men who have contempt for women often only have relationships with women who fit their view. Submissive and happy to go along with fixed roles. They just don’t mix with independent women.

But. NAMALT. Too many men but NAMALT. The men in my life are wonderful. The best people I know are men.