To think men just hate women?

[Justsomethoughts]

The more I think about it, the more I conclude that men must despise us. I think the news today about Wayne Couzens has got me pondering… My thoughts as follows:

Ive read so many threads on here about how little men contribute to household work.
Women are expected to do 99% of housework and childcare whilst sucking it up and looking pretty. This percentage doesn’t seem to change much if they also work. God forbid women complain (I refuse to use the word nag, a word only used by men when talking about women!) as they asked for a family and should be grateful they have a husband and children.

We should look visually appealing/maintain our appearance for as long as possible but not too much - that would be ‘asking for it’. If we don’t we will probably be replaced by a younger/more attractive model.

We can’t walk alone at night as we are at risk of harm (by men).

A very large proportion of female homicides are committed by males living with the victim

The list goes on and on. I know these aren’t brand new facts and obviously ‘not all men’ before people come for me but my god it’s so depressing when you think about it.

Oh dear Lord. You may need to read the thread.

I guarantee it'll be the same as every other thread like this that pops up weekly.

People usually use it to try and shut down any opposition to the broad generalisations they make.

"... but I bet somebody will be along to tell me their Nigel isn't like this."

I'm betting I'll find at least a couple of the above if I was to read the thread.

Well, in that case:

a) why are you bothering to post?

and

b) how do you not know that in your racism analogy women are the oppressed party?

If you're asking why I bother given that it's always the same then I could ask the same question about why posters continue to challenge the patriarchy, given that it's supposedly just as persistent.

But I can't be arsed to argue. People on here aren't representative of most women who on the whole seek to marry and spend their life with men.

I’d imagine quite a few people have learnt stuff from this thread. Like why the ‘not my Nigel’ bs is so pointless. If you’ve read it before, I’m surprised you haven’t.

Try engaging your critical faculties instead of breezing in and assuming you know everything. I can pretty much guarantee every one of your points from the Internalised Misogyny Handbook will have been dealt with more than adequately.

God damn right I'm 'hateful' towards people who tell me I'm a victim when I'm not. Stay in your own lane and speak for yourself and we won't have an issue. The moment you tell me what I am and am not just because we both have two x chromosomes is the moment I tell you to piss off.

You seem to be making the assumption that because you say it, it must therefore be true.

Well, so have yours from the 'I'm a victim' handbook.

🙄No. The majority of posters have made absolute mincemeat of the two (now three since you’ve joined) posters arguing against the existence of the patriarchy.

As I said, if you read it, you’d see. And you’d have to work hard to refute the detailed, logical arguments that have been painstakingly made. Your arrogance tells you that you can just turn up and sneer.

Care to quote to back up your latest bullshit claim, @LovelyTheresa?

You are a disgrace.

@LovelyTheresa why do you think "victim" is an insult?

Tbh your posts remind me of some other bullshit I saw today. A quote about how a strong woman doesn't play victim , doesn't make herself look pitiful, doesn't point fingers. She just deals with stuff. Basically put up and shut up.

You're advocating the same bullshit and trying to shame anyone speaking out.

The irony is, every insult you throw at us applies to you as well given your comments about greek men, but I bet you wouldn't have the tits to actually say it/type it in a Greek community/website. So you're not just a hypocrite, you're a coward too.

You keep on droning ON and ON and ON about my supposed vendetta against Greek men. Are you a bit thick?

It's the opposite in this house tonight. Husband has really pissed me off today and l am thinking l hate all men at the moment. Spoke to me like a piece of shit earlier them got stroppy when l did it back! Go figure.

But actually op, hate to say it bitnyou make a good point.

@LovelyTheresa nope just pointing out the double standards.

Funnily enough , men get just as pissy when they're pointed out to them.

Umm great comeback and everything, but actually I’m not, am I? I’ve argued pretty coherently against your silly views and you’re just flinging childish insults around because you have no case.

You’ve made an absolute tit of yourself on this thread, I’m afraid. The boys won’t be impressed.

And as expected, the ad hominem insults start as soon as somebody disagrees that men hate women. 🙄

Fact is, 'feminists' don't speak for the majority of women. Not even close. People on here seem to argue "oh, but you just don't realise you're a feminist" but that's clearly untrue.

Numerous studies have shown that the vast majority of women believe in equality but specifically state they're not feminists. In a study published by the feminist org Fawcett Society (so unlikely to be biased) they found that only 7% of UK women identified as feminist despite 75% believing in equality.

Even in that feminist utopia of Sweden only 40% of women identify as feminists. Tbf, I did see a recent study where 20% of young UK women claimed to be feminist, but I'm guessing they were probs libfems who think sex work is empowering and that men can change sex.

Note: I put 'feminists' in apostrophes because the demographic I'm talking about is basically the female version of MRAs, spouting hate behind the cover of 'fighting for women's rights'.

It's time to pipe down and realise most of us don't agree with you. We want to work with men and create a better society rather than encourage division, victim mentalities, and endless whinging. Criminals need dealt with but they're a tiny proportion of men and it's actually mostly men that tackle them anyway (moaning on a forum doesn't actually help put these men behind bars).

'Not all men' is inaccurate. It's 'hardly any men'.

If you can't trust men because you 'don't know which are the bad ones' then you can't trust women around children either because they commit the majority of child abuse and we also can't easily identify the bad ones.

Hear hear!!

@KattyBoomBoom95 can you point out the insults? Because the majority have been coming from "your" side and have been going for ages.

Well, if we ignore the condescending tone (some might call that 'subjective') I've been told to 'engage my faculties' (basically being called stupid) and called arrogant within a few posts of entering the thread. Meanwhile, my posts up until the last have been calm and non-aggressive/free of insults.

*And as expected, the ad hominem insults start as soon as somebody disagrees that men hate women. 🙄

Fact is, 'feminists' don't speak for the majority of women. Not even close. People on here seem to argue "oh, but you just don't realise you're a feminist" but that's clearly untrue.

Numerous studies have shown that the vast majority of women believe in equality but specifically state they're not feminists. In a study published by the feminist org Fawcett Society (so unlikely to be biased) they found that only 7% of UK women identified as feminist despite 75% believing in equality.

Even in that feminist utopia of Sweden only 40% of women identify as feminists. Tbf, I did see a recent study where 20% of young UK women claimed to be feminist, but I'm guessing they were probs libfems who think sex work is empowering and that men can change sex.

Note: I put 'feminists' in apostrophes because the demographic I'm talking about is basically the female version of MRAs, spouting hate behind the cover of 'fighting for women's rights'.

It's time to pipe down and realise most of us don't agree with you. We want to work with men and create a better society rather than encourage division, victim mentalities, and endless whinging. Criminals need dealt with but they're a tiny proportion of men and it's actually mostly men that tackle them anyway (moaning on a forum doesn't actually help put these men behind bars).

'Not all men' is inaccurate. It's 'hardly any men'.

If you can't trust men because you 'don't know which are the bad ones' then you can't trust women around children either because they commit the majority of child abuse and we also can't easily identify the bad ones.*

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How many more women have to die before we can make a thread without all these NAMALTers. It boils my piss.

One woman murdered is one woman too many of course, but I think we need to look at the big picture. The number of men that murder either sex are a vanishingly small percentage of the male population, even if they do it much more than us. There are many many millions of people in this country and the vast majority neither murder nor are murdered.

I mean, there are way more women with a criminal record than there are male murderers yet it would be illogical to label women as criminals based on the actions of a few, so the same logic surely applies to men.

I think some people just use it as an excuse to bash men in the same way others bash foreigners/ethnic minorities/gay people/etc and others just spend far too much time on the internet selectively reading the bad stuff a tiny minority of men do. In day to day life this stuff hardly features for the vast majority of us. Certainly not enough to condemn half the population.

Fact is that over 99.99% of men don't murder anybody.

It's time to pipe down and realise most of us don't agree with you. We want to work with men and create a better society rather than encourage division, victim mentalities, and endless whinging. Criminals need dealt with but they're a tiny proportion of men and it's actually mostly men that tackle them anyway (moaning on a forum doesn't actually help put these men behind bars).

I don’t disagree with your suggestion that working with men is the way forward.

I just think the language that you and @LovelyTheresa have used towards other women (“victim mentality”, “endless whinging”) is another way of saying women need to put up with it. Like I said upthread, I feel like this is minimising quite serious issues which can’t be helpful to anyone. I don’t see how changes can be made unless women are free to be honest and speak openly about what is happening without being shamed.

The point that lots of PPs have made is that men’s behaviour exists on a spectrum and does not start with murder. Don’t you think waiting for behaviour to become criminal means we will miss the boat a lot of the time/miss the opportunity to deal with a lot of ‘milder’ behaviour which might improve the lives of women?