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AIBU - violin teacher dumped us on the first lesson

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DesperateSusans · 29/02/2024 17:28

We are new to the area. My daughter (age 7) desperately wants to learn the violin. We asked at her new school and they gave us the information about the local violin teacher who teaches in the local schools and privately.

we contacted the teacher and arranged the lesson. Everything went really well, DD loved it and the teacher was great with us.

I have since received a text message from the teacher which I am confused about.

something along the lines of - great to meet you earlier, on reflection I think a different teacher may be more suited to working with DD. I immediately asked her what she meant. She then went on to say that she felt uncomfortable about the amount of questions I asked with regards to her qualifications, experience and teaching methods and made her feel uncomfortable! Apparently all of this is on her website (I hadn’t looked) and she felt like I was interviewing her!

surely this can’t be right? Isn’t it normal for parents to ask questions when they engage the services of a private tutor?

OP posts:
BeethovenNinth · 02/03/2024 08:21

That’s great OP. She sounds like a great teacher in terms of her approach. At the end of the day, what is needed is a click in the teacher/student relationship and qualifications don’t really matter that much.

EmeraldA129 · 02/03/2024 08:27

DesperateSusans · 01/03/2024 15:22

Something amazing has happened!

I bumped into the violin teacher in Boots earlier! She saw me approaching and asked if I was stalking her - but laughed as she said it phew!

I apologised for being full on and appearing to be demanding, she was very nice as I explained all this is new to me and wasn’t in my comfort zone. She then said sorry for being taken aback, she has no issue at all with questions and agreed they were entirely valid, but felt put on the spot which was not her ‘comfort zone’. She laughed and said ‘that’s why I work for myself- I’m so bad in interviews!’

She was incredibly polite and supportive and explained that at this level she would be concentrating on basic musical fundamentals (I think she mentioned pulse, rhythm and pitch?) as well as just concentrating on posture and bow hold initially, she also said the lessons should be fun and relaxed and my daughter seemed really enthusiastic- she was very polite about her and said she was bright and responsive!

We chatted for about 10 minutes- and agreed to ‘see how it goes’, I have promised to not interfere and support my daughter with her practise.

just about to collect her from school, I can’t wait to tell her. I’m so incredibly lucky and have learned from this experience to do less talking and more listening in future.

Well done op, that can’t have been the easiest situation to find yourself in but it sounds like you handled it brilliantly & got the best outcome for your daughter to boot! 😊

Tryingmybestadhd · 02/03/2024 09:08

That’s a great update OP ! Well done for approaching this opportunity so well . Hope it goes well

Babymamamama · 02/03/2024 09:27

That’s fabulous OP. Well done.

mibbelucieachwell · 02/03/2024 10:09

Brilliant news OP.

I hope your DD has many happy years of music making.

pinkyredrose · 02/03/2024 10:19

katyb84 · 01/03/2024 19:56

There’s nothing wrong with your questions , and I asked similar of my daughter’s guitar teacher , the violins teachers answers were abrupt though. These same people who are on here slagging you off for your questions would be the same ones slandering you for sending your child to a complete stranger and not finding anything out about them .

Do you send your kids to school? Do you grill all the teachers, cleaning staff and assistants? I mean you're sending your kid to spend the day with all these strangers.

user1492809438 · 02/03/2024 10:38

'I can't see what I did wrong.'
Therein lies the problem.

Isthisexpected · 02/03/2024 14:27

pinkyredrose · 02/03/2024 10:19

Do you send your kids to school? Do you grill all the teachers, cleaning staff and assistants? I mean you're sending your kid to spend the day with all these strangers.

All of those staff have their appropriate employment checks done by they're employer. It's not the same at all.

MrsB74 · 02/03/2024 14:36

You came across as over bearing. I didn’t ask any of those questions when my two took up music lessons because I knew the school used them and would have done checks. I also knew friends who had used both which helped.

I have a friend who had a similar experience recently after asking a ridiculous amount of questions (not a violin teacher). She got blocked! There is a fine line between normal curiosity/fact finding and coming across as hard-work. You need to work on your approach and maybe do some research first so you don’t feel the need to interrogate the next one.

GiantPigeon · 02/03/2024 14:57

@DesperateSusans

Glad to hear it's worked out and I think see how it goes is entirely the right approach.

Your daughter is interested in violin just now but a few months in she might not like it and you will move onto something else. Or it may stick and she might really enjoy it. You won't know until some time passes.

Glad there is a positive outcome and although it's been uncomfortable for you, you can take away some lessons yourself about how to navigate the world of kids clubs and activities. Like I said in my last post it is a bit of a parent politics game I've found.

Good luck and hope your daughter enjoys her lessons.

Ifeelsuchafool · 02/03/2024 19:07

Ok, I am a retired violin teacher and my son is a professional cellist who teaches at a couple of private schools.
1, No instrumental teacher can teach in a school in the UK without a clean enhanced DBS check.
2, Her qualifications are on her website. Do your research and don't waste her time. Had your daughter already had the agreed allocated time with the teacher and, if so, did you pay extra to interrogate her after the fact?
3, Time taken to get to grades is an immediate red flag. True musicians are interested in teaching the instrument, not notching up grades. It's perfectly possible to have grade 8 on your instrument and still get rejected from academies. Likewise people audition without ABRSM grade 8 and are granted entrance. = Non musical, pushy parent.
4, Supply and demand, there are few enough good teachers available. Nobody will take on a potentially high maintenance parent unless the child proves to be startlingly talented. And even then...

Calliopespa · 02/03/2024 19:36

Ifeelsuchafool · 02/03/2024 19:07

Ok, I am a retired violin teacher and my son is a professional cellist who teaches at a couple of private schools.
1, No instrumental teacher can teach in a school in the UK without a clean enhanced DBS check.
2, Her qualifications are on her website. Do your research and don't waste her time. Had your daughter already had the agreed allocated time with the teacher and, if so, did you pay extra to interrogate her after the fact?
3, Time taken to get to grades is an immediate red flag. True musicians are interested in teaching the instrument, not notching up grades. It's perfectly possible to have grade 8 on your instrument and still get rejected from academies. Likewise people audition without ABRSM grade 8 and are granted entrance. = Non musical, pushy parent.
4, Supply and demand, there are few enough good teachers available. Nobody will take on a potentially high maintenance parent unless the child proves to be startlingly talented. And even then...

I don’t disagree with this but just to add a slightly different perspective in that sadly, esp in the independent school system, the senior schools application process puts a lot of emphasis on “ having grades” to demonstrate ability and aptitude. I come from a musical family ( Dh’ s grandmother, two of my great aunts were all music teachers and one of my grandmothers could have been) so we definitely appreciate music fwiw rather than being “non musical pushy parents. “ However, my dcs have done exams simply because in trying to find the “ right fit “ for them at senior school, frustratingly they have to have something tangible to put in their applications. I hate the system: but as I have musical children, I don’t want that to go unrecognised but to be picked up in that senior school selection process to give them a chance at the schools that will nurture it. So some of us are driven into into that approach by the system more than our personal beliefs. Please don’t judge us all for seeing the value of an exam!

ErinBell01 · 02/03/2024 20:11

DesperateSusans · 29/02/2024 17:38

But I don’t see what’s wrong with my approach. I think it’s relevant to ask about someone’s qualifications, experience, enhanced DRB check, insurance and times to get to grades. What’s wrong with that?

But you know she worked with schools so would def be qualified and would have the DRB check so why ask? And why not look at the website? I think the teacher dodged a bullet!

Catsmere · 02/03/2024 20:36

Very glad to read your update, OP, glad you both sorted it out so well. :)

ilovesushi · 03/03/2024 11:25

Great outcome! Hope you daughter enjoys learning. First few years can be quite squeaky! 🙂

Kenthighst · 03/03/2024 13:02

GiantPigeon · 29/02/2024 23:37

My child started private music instrument Autumn last year.

There was a website which I read and it stated he worked in schools in addition to private tuition. Listed qualifications.

I haven't asked about drb check as assume he has it due to working in schools.

It hasn't crossed my mind to ask if he has insurance.

I've not asked about how long to get to grades as initially we said to child it'll be a 6 week trial, so I wouldn't ask about gradings because they may not have a musical talent/ability or enjoy it. My child has continued on with lessons and I'm not really interested when they will do gradings. They're only a child and the main thing to me is they enjoy learning the instrument and happy to attend lessons.

My child is 9 now and I've found that good clubs/lessons are in high demand and if you want a place it's best to be cheerful and complimentary whilst focusing on child's enjoyment of the activity.

I remember when my child was younger and joined first ever club in gymnastics I was probably too eager I was interested in the pathways of it all, thinking that'd be my child/our journey. It was all new to me and I was a bit excited at starting club. Gymnastics didn't stick.

Now I'm several clubs and activities into parenting and know to just go with the flow. Some things stick, some don't. Best to be polite, not overly eager and do your research on their social media/website before even contacting them.

Youve probably just come off as a bit interrogating and she's not liked that and has a long list of other kids waiting for a place so she's moving on to next on the list.

In future look at it as a "count yourself lucky" situation and act accordingly to future offers of a space in a club or activity.

Parenting has a lot of politics in it and you need to play the game/say the right things at times. Club leaders/tutors don't owe you anything so better to be gracious to them to ensure a smooth ride for your child :)

Agree with this wholeheartedly @GiantPigeon . Parenting is very political at all levels, best be diplomatic always to ensure the best for your child.
An unpopular but very true opinion.

Zone2NorthLondon · 03/03/2024 13:24

DesperateSusans · 01/03/2024 15:22

Something amazing has happened!

I bumped into the violin teacher in Boots earlier! She saw me approaching and asked if I was stalking her - but laughed as she said it phew!

I apologised for being full on and appearing to be demanding, she was very nice as I explained all this is new to me and wasn’t in my comfort zone. She then said sorry for being taken aback, she has no issue at all with questions and agreed they were entirely valid, but felt put on the spot which was not her ‘comfort zone’. She laughed and said ‘that’s why I work for myself- I’m so bad in interviews!’

She was incredibly polite and supportive and explained that at this level she would be concentrating on basic musical fundamentals (I think she mentioned pulse, rhythm and pitch?) as well as just concentrating on posture and bow hold initially, she also said the lessons should be fun and relaxed and my daughter seemed really enthusiastic- she was very polite about her and said she was bright and responsive!

We chatted for about 10 minutes- and agreed to ‘see how it goes’, I have promised to not interfere and support my daughter with her practise.

just about to collect her from school, I can’t wait to tell her. I’m so incredibly lucky and have learned from this experience to do less talking and more listening in future.

Gracious of you to explain and listen. Clearly it worked
Nice outcome. The teacher is correct, start with enjoyment and see what progresses

UpsideLeft · 03/03/2024 15:45

You are very lucky OP

So as not to be that parent and a further complete PITA

Do not sit in on any more lessons

Just let you poor DD get in with it without you in the background

UpsideLeft · 03/03/2024 15:46

In DS t if you insist on sitting in on future lessons that teacher will drop your DD line a hot potato

Bringtheweatherwithyou · 03/03/2024 16:07

UpsideLeft · 03/03/2024 15:46

In DS t if you insist on sitting in on future lessons that teacher will drop your DD line a hot potato

Poor violin teacher then.

thirdfiddle · 03/03/2024 16:24

Some teachers prefer to have a parent sit in so you can support practice. Particularly those who teach littler ones.

Calliopespa · 03/03/2024 18:05

Yes one of ours does prefer parents to stay … She often turns to me and makes me come and look where she’s marked some dynamics or similar

ImCamembertTheBigCheese · 03/03/2024 18:27

OVienna · 01/03/2024 09:30

I'm really not. I am out the other end of all of this and this thread reminds my why that is such a relief!

Well you could be. Telling me to 'join the human race'. Aggressive and insulting.

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