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To report dd to the police for steeling?

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Lovemusic82 · 25/02/2024 11:52

Not an easy one but I feel I have tried everything and have posted about dd many times before. Dd has autism, her understanding and language skills are not great, she attends a SEN unit at the local college (but is struggling), despite her poor understanding in some areas she does know right from wrong. Since she was small she’s had an issue with taking things that are not hers, she knows they are not hers, she’s knows she’s not allowed to take them but she just can’t help herself (CAHMs have been useless as have other professionals). Mainly she takes food but there have been times where she’s taken my jewellery, make up from my room, she has been caught steeling from a shop whilst out with school and has attempted several times to steel whilst we have been out. This morning she took £40 from my purse (not the first time), it was my birthday money and she knew this as she saw me receive it. Before I noticed I had already given her a warning after steeling food several times this morning after she had her breakfast. I threatened to send her to live with her dad (even though he wouldn’t agree to this).

I am having major surgery in 3 weeks and I don’t know how I’m going to care for dd, I have been trying to prepare her, trying to encourage her to help me out more and to be a bit more mature (and to stop taking things), my mum will be staying for a week when I’m in hospital and I’m worried dd will steel from her. Dd is almost 18, adult serves are being useless and not sorting respite or suitable accommodation for dd. LEA are also being useless trying to sort a new placement for her. I’m just at the end of my tether and I have tried everything other than calling the police on her. I’m fed up of so called professionals telling me to give her more responsibility, to give her money of her own (I have tried this), I’ve been told I can’t lock her out of my kitchen with out going to court to get permission despite her giving herself food poisoning several times from eating raw food. She’s over weight, she steels food at college and has even been found rummaging in a bin for food.

would i be unreasonable to report her to the police for steeling from my purse? I just don’t know what else to do as no punishment ever works despite her dramatic reactions when I do punish her.

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Atethehalloweenchocs · 25/02/2024 19:41

Hi OP - not an expert in ND, but there seems to be evidence for a link between ADHD and compulsive stealing, and some research suggesting certain medications (MPH and Guanfacine) can help reduce the behaviour. Does she have a psychiatrist you could discuss that with?

IncompleteSenten · 25/02/2024 19:46

iverpickle · 25/02/2024 17:48

I think OP has been getting some responses because at the top of the their was initially a bit unclear as to the severity of her daughter's condition. However reading on it's very clear that she has very much her best interests at heart and is struggling to find a workable solution, especially as she gets older.

I think those posters who are saying that they would never use such money for certain things or are astonished at her "only" getting 10£ a week, are naive as to what OP's situation is.

Nobody should be congratulating themselves publicly that they are saving their child's money because they find themselves in the position of not needing to use it. If that's what they are able to do then fine, but to try and shame someone who literally uses this money for what it is designed is ridiculous.
When OP talks about breakages, and I'm only hypothesising here, some posters seem to be envisioning replacing a broken ornament or mug, small household item etc, because that's what they imagine. They think that it's on a similar level to those who have NT children and accidents will happen.
Whereas in other ASD families it's more on the lines of constant damage of large and small of all types of things, doors getting dismantled or kicked in, appliances such as the washing machine or dishwasher being dismantled or broken for whatever reason while you nip to the toilet.

It starts to get irritating when people push for freedom to make choices when in reality what it means is freedom to let those choices damage both the individual and those around them. There's no way in hell I 'd be ok with my child eating raw meat or being able to run into the road if my back were turned a minute.

True.
The last time my younger son had a massive meltdown, he threw everything that would fit through his bedroom window - laptop, phone, games consoles, everything. Thousands and thousands of pounds. Then he assaulted me and his brother.

It's a very different world.

Minimili · 25/02/2024 19:55

Lovemusic82 · 25/02/2024 18:16

And yes, I don’t want her arrested or prosecuted, I have been told it would never happen anyway, she’s more likely to be sectioned.

I have friends with children with severe autism and I worked for years as a support worker so I know how hard your situation is OP.

You are using the PIP money how it’s meant to be spent, like you pointed out if you gave it to your daughter she wouldn’t understand the value and spend it on useless items then have less food for the week or if she breaks something like an iPad or Tv that she relies on she would go without.

I have worked in residential settings with different security levels dependent on capacity. One had locked doors, the kitchen was locked and the residents had no control over their money and were just given a small amount of pocket money a week. The rest of their money ( benefits in their names) was used for trips out, specialised equipment or to replace things they would break (always iPads! I’ve had many many iPads thrown at me) and anything left went into savings for anything they might need in the future.

The kitchen had to be locked because quite a few of the residents would steal food and often do the same as your daughter and eat raw food, overeat or hide it.

I also worked in places where the residents were more independent but they still didn’t have full access to money. They had more of an understanding of what they wanted to spend it on like PlayStation games or art and craft supplies and they wouldn’t go out and necessarily waste it but they couldn’t budget and would spend all the money and then have nothing left later in the month and then get angry if they wanted anything.
The kitchen wasn’t locked but they had individual apartments and were given food daily or there was a communal kitchen with staff always present literally guarding the food.

I supported a man who constantly stole, staff had to make sure they brought nothing of value to work or locked it away, he stole from other residents, shops etc…
We struggled to take him anywhere because he would steal and it was usually just for the sake of it. He would steal things like photographs of people he didn’t know, DIY equipment from supermarkets, pens, make up etc… he’d even take rubbish from bins then hide it in his room.

We did get the police involved where they came to talk to him and explained it was a criminal offence and what could happen if he carried on. I suspect he had more capacity than your daughter though and so whilst he took it all in and didn’t steal as much it might not have the same impact on your daughter, you did put she understands the difference between right and wrong but am I right in thinking she wouldn’t link the repercussions if she was punished?

I also had to deal with the police a few times with other residents and they have special procedures based on capacity and are trained in how to deal with individual situations. At the end of the day a crime is still a crime but if the person doesn’t understand they are breaking the law and wouldn’t link the punishment to the crime then there needs to be a different way of addressing the behaviour.
You could ask the police for advice? I have always found them to be great in these situations and in a couple of cases have helped find other support resources or contacted other mental health professionals. They wouldn’t come and arrest your daughter and scare her and might not even do anything at all but it’s worth giving it a try if it’s impacting your life this much.

My friend who has severely autistic children was advised the same as you regarding locking doors and locking away food and the kitchen door. She refused to comply saying that the kitchen was full of dangerous items and the risk of eating rotten or raw food was too high to ignore. She said that unless she had more outside help she was going to do what she had to.
You might not want to go against the advice you’ve been given but it doesn’t sound feasible and going to court to fight is a lengthy process. If professionals continue to advise you differently than ask them to come and help!

I can’t imagine how hard it is for you, I used to be exhausted and so grateful I got to go home and have days off. I don’t think anyone understands how difficult it is being a carer for someone with disabilities and high needs until they do it themselves. I know you will be constantly on guard and bracing yourself for what happens next.

You mentioned that residential care isn’t an option until somewhere is found nearby? I think you need to challenge this and push harder for the sake of you and your daughter. If she’s in good hands you don’t need to be on the doorstep and it sounds like she would benefit from having full time support from trained carers in appropriate housing. It would encourage independence and give you a break as well.
Every place I have worked the staff have been amazing and so dedicated and caring and the residents were well looked after with trips out and really nice living accommodation. They even have a chef in some places that cook really nice meals for everyone.

I hope you can get some more support and I would maybe even contact a local MP if you don’t. Please take care of yourself as much as you can and see if you can find any proper support groups online for people in a similar situation who might be able to offer more advice.

I have changed small details on this so it’s not outing but I doubt the majority of people would have read it all! I hope it helps a bit though.

Lovemusic82 · 25/02/2024 20:07

Minimili thank you 🙏
I fear she will end up in a secure unit, somewhere where doors are locked to keep her safe, it’s not what I really want for her but I also want her to be safe. She doesn’t use a mobile phone (we have tried so many times) and is unable to ask for help so the fear of her getting out and someone taking advantage of her is all too real. She went missing for an hour from college, there was no way of contacting her or her contacting anyone. Luckily she was ok and made it back. It shows in some way that she is almost capable but she doesn’t have the skills if anything was to go wrong or if anyone approached her,I have spent years trying to teach her these skills and failing.

And yes, the damaging things isn’t always low price items, things like iPads, beds, bedroom furniture, toilet seats, carpet etc… as well as the times she has managed to get scissors and cut her clothes up.

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DreamTheMoors · 25/02/2024 20:09

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/02/2024 12:03

Does she have kleptomania?

I knew the wife of a millionaire farmer who had kleptomania.
She knew right from wrong and they had ample money to buy absolutely anything she desired, but she simply couldn’t help herself. She’d steal £1 items, £100 items - it didn’t matter. The stealing was the thing.
Finally, her husband, our dear friend, went around to all the shops in town and asked them to keep a tally and to send him a bill each month.
@Lovemusic82‘s description of her daughter reminded me of this woman.

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DreamTheMoors · 25/02/2024 20:24

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Rude and unnecessary.

HausofHolbein · 25/02/2024 20:45

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You are an utter POS.

Mumsnet you may delete me, but you know I'm not wrong here.

Lovemusic82 · 25/02/2024 20:51

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Yea, I’m fucking stressed, I’m deal with dd by myself whilst going through i huge health crisis (possible cancer) so thank you for pointing out my spelling mistake, I hope it made you feel good about yourself

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Carpediemmakeitcount · 25/02/2024 21:41

Lovemusic82 · 25/02/2024 12:09

She does have PICA but it’s a lot better than it used to be, she still eats some non edibles given the chance. Adult services are looking ad supported living but they want her to stay local to me so I can mama get her money and so she can still have close contact to me. Sadly there’s not many supported living places near by that are suitable, she’s either not disabled enough or she needs too much supervision and security.

Have you heard of housing and care 21 they might be able to help.

IncompleteSenten · 25/02/2024 21:51

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No need to be a twat.

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