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My brother has hidden my nephews rugby playing...

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touchrugby · 24/02/2024 09:48

Asking for my brother - I think he’s in a mess and I need to tell him what to expect and how unreasonable he was. Interested to hear from other divorced parents and sports teachers/ school administrators. I’ve tried to give as much context as possible.

My brother got divorced 4 years ago. They have (had?) an amicable coparent relationship- there was no cheating or unkindness in either side. My brother just became obsessed with giving his family a good life and he worked a lot of hours. When he wasn’t working he was a very engaged parent- my nephew is hugely sporty and they were always off doing sports- swimming, tennis, football, cross country etc. Ex SIL was a SAHP but eventually got frustrated (with justification) at never seeing her husband so went back to work and divorced him. They share 50/50 custody with my brother as the higher earner paying all DNs expenses.

My brother really wanted nephew to go to this very nice private school. To facilitate this he pays all the fees. It’s a great academic school so ex SIL was pretty happy-except for the sport. They’re a big rugby school and she was adamant that DN not play rugby due to injury risks. There was a big argument about it, with my brother and DN really wanting rugby, and her adamant that he wouldn’t play.

The school offers non contact rugby and eventually they agreed DN would do that. DN is in year 9 now and it’s recently come out that he switched to full contact rugby in the 3rd week of year 7 and SIL didn’t know. It’s come out because he’s recently been made captain of the A team and a few mums congratulated her.

It seems he hated the non contact team. He’s very gifted with sport and apparently it was a team of lads who just wanted to run around for a few hours and throw a ball. The school put little effort into it and there were no matches. He asked to switch to “proper” rugby and the school said they needed a parent to approve it- and my brother did.

His argument is that his son wanted it, the school did email SIL as well, and it’s been 2.5 years.
Her argument is that he knew her stance, he also knows she’s a bit disorganised and rarely reads emails especially ones about sport which she know my brother manages (she has over 10,000 unread emails on her phone!) and that my brother conspired to hide it.

She has a very valid point about the conspiring. She has a new partner. He works Saturdays so my brother used to have DN every Friday night so they could see each other, and he’d then take him to Sat morning matches before dropping him at SILs Sat evening. Brother and DN have both, in 2.5 years, managed not to say anything to her about his rugby which is obviously duplicitous, especially considering how good he is. Brother just managed all the kit and the washing and the games and it apparently never came up in conversation.

Shes utterly furious and is going to the school Monday to tell them to remove him from rugby. Brother planning on going to the school to tell them to keep him in rugby. DN is apparently going to refuse to return to his mums house unless she agrees to the rugby and is determined to continue.

I’ve maintained a good friendship with SIL. In many ways I’m closer her than my brother as I see her more (he’s still a workaholic in his non parenting time so he’s hard to get hold of!) I heard about the odd match but nothing specific, I assumed it was non contact and frankly don’t know anything about rugby anyway. She’s very unhappy with our family as obviously our parents knew as well. My dad watches half the matches!

Does anyone know what the school might do? My brother and nephew are digging their heels in and saying he’ll live full time at my brothers and my brother will therefore get full parental responsibility. I think this is rubbish and not legal. I am worried that a nice coparenting relationship is ruined and that SIL might lose my nephew. He loves his mum but he’s obsessed with sport and apparently A team captain at a school like his is a BIG deal. He’s already playing some 2nd eleven matches as well which is also apparently important. I don’t know how to feel about what my brother did. He has absolutely supported what DN wanted. My nephew is so happy playing rugby and so good at it and still uninjured, and it’s the game played by 90% of the school. She knew sending him there that if he didn’t play rugby he’d be a bit isolated but she will not have it.

Frankly I think there’s fault on both sides, but on balance how much more unreasonable was my brother and what the hell might happen next?

OP posts:
MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 27/02/2024 02:51

NotAgainWilson · 24/02/2024 23:04

There’s nothing stopping the mother to apply for a court order and while the issue get resolved the pattern of contact is very likely to remain the same.

No kid under 16 will be allowed to decide freely where to live if the parents are in disagreement and prepared to fight their corner.

I have seen c”a case when a parent wanted to change just one day on a 50/50 contact agreement and that only took a few months and over £50,000 in solicitors fees.

If the parents stubbornly decide not to compromise at all, it can be very costly in terms of time and money and emotionally damaging enough to destroy everyone involved.

If the mother can't be bothered to open emails, could she be bothered to go to court.?

mathanxiety · 27/02/2024 03:08

Elfblossom · 26/02/2024 06:49

We don't know that that's factual or any context. Dad/ex is a liar & OP biased, consciously or subconsciously.

Either this is made up (attention/'journalist' or there's far more not being said (to avoid her brother looking even worse maybe).

An inconvenient element of the account then.

Rewis · 27/02/2024 03:26

Can your brother handle full custody with 0% involvement from his ex?

Your brother knew exactly what he was doing. He must have know she'd find out eventually and was willing to risk it. Lucky for him it will work out for him and not for her. She should have shown some interest in her kids hobby but brother did use that to his advantage

masterblaster · 27/02/2024 07:00

MadMadaMim · 25/02/2024 20:50

The rugby element is irrelevant

I feel so, so very sorry for your SIL. To realise that her ex has lied to her for two years is bad enough but to then have to deal with her ex & family encouraging her DS to lie to her every day for 2 plus years is heartbreaking.

Your DB is a totally selfish twat with zero respect for his DS or his ex

He's basically taught his son that to lie to the most important woman in your life is OK. He's now causing further damage by allowing his son to bully and manipulate one of the two most important people in his life into doing what he wants or pay consequences.

And you think your DB is a good father when he's not working? These are some of the most important life lessons for children and your DB has completely fucked up.

What a lucky escape she's had getting out of this awful family. Multiple people lying to her, encouraging her child to be deceitful to his mother, displaying behaviour that shows it's OK to treat people this way. Allowing her DS to threaten her with low/no contact if she doesn't comply. I don't think you, your DB, your FIL, your DN and everyone who was complicit have any idea what they've done. Huge issue of trust. That's almost always irreparable. Things will NEVER be the same again beween your SIL and her DS. NEVER. Regardless of outcome of the rugby issue.

Absolutely shocking. I cannot believe you're trying to justify some of this.

And she DID compromise - she agreed to NC rugby.

She must be devastaded. I'm hoping she has good friends and family around her. And please don't twist the knife with your skewed views on this - leave her be - he's doesn't need 'friends' like you.

And before you or anyone else asks, yes, this touched a nerve and yes, I've had a similar experience - and none of that diminishes what I've said IMO.

SIL was totally unreasonable. DN lied to her to allow himself to do something he loves, and which is very important to him socially at the school. No-one started out with bad intentions, he was playing touch rugby. He just wanted to join in with 90 % of the school, and not be an outsider. DB went along.

Phineyj · 27/02/2024 07:31

So sorry for your loss, @mumofchris.

Rottweilermummy · 27/02/2024 07:47

It's all very sad this. Yes your brother and nephew were wrong, to not be honest about the rugby, but also get why knowing the minute SIL knew she'd try stop nephew playing rugby, yes it can be dangerous, but any sport comes with risks, even riding a bike, is she OK with that? Your Nephew loves rugby and he's good at it ,does she not care that it makes him happy? She should be encouraged to go see him play , get teachers to speak to her to say how good her son Is and how important he is to the team. She's mad if she continues at risk of losing her son its sad for your nephew too knowing his mum feels this way, Too hung up on the dangers of rugby when there are dangers everywhere . better for him to be playing a sport than sat on a PlayStation/ x box (or whatever it Is now) or hanging round streets causing trouble. So hope its resolved, its your nephew I feel for the most

Nicolette42 · 27/02/2024 09:36

Your SIL has every right to be angry with your brother but not at risk of losing her son's respect. He loves this. Don't we all want our kids to find something they love at school. Schools also take a lot of care of their players these days. I know cos my son's are at a rugby focused school and they even have girls join in the 6th form to play rugby.
Chances are your DN would be playing serious sport wherever he was at school and there are risks with all of them.
Suggest to SIL that she talk to some of the mums of other rugby players on the team and see what their views are.
Good luck

whynotwhatknot · 27/02/2024 11:11

no court like i said before will make a 16 year old live somewere tey dont want to-waste of time

Babysharkdoodoodood · 27/02/2024 19:03

So @touchrugby Did your SiL go to the school?

GasPanic · 27/02/2024 19:19

I would stay out of this.

2 parents + 1 older teen is enough for people to make decisions. They don't need anyone else other than maybe a professional counsellor/school support if a decision can't be reached. Other family members getting involved and taking sides is a bad idea IMO because it just risks ruining even more relationships.

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