To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

She seems to be a psychopath, we don’t need her back.

If, indeed, it was possible to strip her of uk citizenship, how the hell did Bangladesh 🇧🇩 manage to strip her of citizenship?
She didn't have citizenship. She had a right to apply to it. She had until turning 21 years old. She never applied for it. Probably not allowed to do so.

And would you have joined in with the torture and killing she did and been unremorseful for your actions?

I thought the BBC podcast was very powerful. I do feel very sorry for her. She was a child, she was groomed, she lived through domestic abuse, and multiple baby losses. All as a teenager.

Even if I didn't have sympathy for her as a young woman, I would still be alarmed by the precedent that's set by stripping her of citizenship. That is a very scary notion that a person could find themselves stateless, destined to rot in a refugee camp.

Surely the right thing to do is bring her back and try her in a UK court.

I'm on the fence. ISIS grooming is intense. I don't think a lot of people realise how much. As well as being a terrorist organisation, they also have a lot of attributes of a cult. Once you join you only get out through death. She wouldn't have had the option to leave even if she wanted to. Therefore a survival mechanism would have kicked in. A lot of us might agree to things we didn't want to, to avoid being beaten/raped/murdered.

That being said, she didn't do herself any favours in all this. While I accept she was groomed, she also made a decision and there are consequences to that. She wasn't dragged there against her will, or forced because of threats against her family. She chose to go. She knew what ISIS was. So she does also bear personal responsibility.

@FuzzyManul

What do you mean evidence? It's just a basic fact. You can't make someone stateless, so if her parents had been white British she would have been allowed back. Given that she was born here, she should have the same rights as a white person

Tbh I think the way she is being treated by this country is absolutely appalling. She was groomed as a child. She's encountered severe levels of trauma. She's being made an example of and I find it gross considering the amount of men who have gone off to Syria to fight for Isis and allowed back in. Let her come home and put her in a secure facility if needs be but she should be allowed back to British soil. Really she has the potential to be an asset to the UK in terms of her experience if in time she wants to help UK security.

I'd she was a white teenager groomed in this way we would have considered her kidnapped.

That's a lot of words to say that you don't have any evidence.

Regardless of feeling sorry for her, I don't think we can just leave citizens we don't want. We wouldn't particularly like it if a terrorist came here (let's just say from France), France then stripped them of their citizenship, and said "nah, we're not having them back, it's your problem now". Why is it fine to make her someone else's problem? In this case I assume charities at the refugee camp?

Plenty? How many? Who?
That's just not the case.

This decision will not have been taken lightly, there will be lots about this case that we will never hear. If they went to this extent to take away citizenship then she is a threat.

Nope.

Unless the info I’ve read is incorrect, she voluntarily travelled there after watching and liking videos of people being beheaded. Being 15 is no excuse. We do silly things at 15 but not on that level.

She has citizenship of Bangladesh.

We imprisoned Jon Venables and Robert Thompson at age 10 and lowered the age of criminal responsibility in order to do so on the basis that 10 year old children know that killing is wrong.

Now people would tell me that Shamima Begum didn't know what she was doing because she was GROOMED and 15 is still a CHILD and should be allowed home and treated with compassion because she lost her babies the poor wee lamb.

No. Just no. Where was her compassion? I'm just relieved those poor babies were spared the life they'd have had with her. There are fates worse than death.

And how long do you think she would get for murder, torture and treason?

Sorry but I rather not have someone who liked watching videos of people being beheaded so much they travelled to another country to take part in such things come back. If the Govn can find a way to keep her out then I don't really have a problem with it.

She was 15, not 5. I'm not sympathetic I'm afraid.

This is the naive handwringing that comes about when people can ONLY think in identity politics.

Everyone has obligations to their state - pay taxes, don’t commit crime etc. She blew it completely. We had the opportunity to get rid of her and we did.

Shamima’s outcome will give hundreds of would-be jihadis pause for thought. Who knows how many lives won’t be ruined because of this decision. It is a great and public deterrent.

Absolutely not. She was certainly naive. But she has supported and engaged with a tyranny and terrorist organisation that killed thousands.

She feels sorry for herself. And her losses are great. But that does not mean she does not bear responsibility for her engagement with ISIS.

Forget this particular situation, but I am confused - one minute you can make decisions about your gender, your digital liberty cannot be removed, you can join the army, you can't drink, have sex and I could go on. I don't think we are being told the whole story in this instance but the case raises a real dilemma within our society and an inconsistency of approach - Just when we do think that age determines being fully responsible for your behaviour and actions?

She has citizenship of Bangladesh
No she doesn't. She had an entitlement to it not a right. She now would need to apply just let me any other citizen from an other country.

I think people are so desperate to appear non-racist that they'll forgive anything done by a non-white person.

sorry but this person is a terrorist, plain and simple. She went to join ISIS and knew exactly who they were before she did that, she has been party to god knows what info/skills/attitudes and has tried to play out the sympathy card because she was young, stupid and has unfortunately lost her children. (i wouldn't wish that on anyone but not the reason to let a known terrorist back in). if she was granted citizenship and then contributed to an other terror attack, or manipulated others in to terror activities what what you say then?? that the government didn't do their job......... better safe than sorry

No, I don't feel sorry for her. Not one bit. She knew what she was doing when she ran away from the UK and joined ISIS, then married a man who belonged to ISIS. In her interview she showed no remorse whatsoever and said she loved her husband. If she was allowed to come back how long before her husband wanted to join her and the human rights brigade would insist he comes to the UK too? Also she's a terror risk and as such would need round the clock surveillance, possibly for the rest of her life. Why should the UK tax payers pay for this?

@pokebowls no not better.... as an adult as she is now she is STILL not showing remorse . Still a dirty terrorist