To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

I'd like to think of my 15yo decided on on a whim to fly to Turkey one way without an adult that questions would be asked. At the very least, "where are you staying and do you have proof of accomodation?" "Who are you meeting" "what are your plans"

It is entirely the UK's fault that it was allowed to happen.
They were groomed and it's our countries fault the others are dead.
3 pretty blonde white girls would have been stopped and questioned and parents called.

I don't trust shamima, I don't understand how she's still alive. But it's not right to leave her there, she should be in custody. She needs a psych analysis at the minimum

Can you evidence the many ISIS murderers ‘at large’ in the U.K. please?

Why should Syria have to pay for her or Bangladesh for that matter?

Britain allowed her to leave the country underaged and without her parent's permission. Britain allowed her to become radicalised on their soil.

The financial burden of trying her for her crimes, incarcerating her, and supervising her should fall to us.

She said she's not sad about that anymore.

It's funny how few Brits believe her statement that she's not a danger, but this one must be true. And why?

How likely is it that a young woman who had three babies isn't sad about losing them?
Maybe she is dealing with so much unprocessed trauma that she's numb.
Maybe she wasn't willing to disclose her true feelings to that random man who was speaking to her.
Maybe she said what she thought he wanted her to say, that she had no affection for her husband or their family together.

Could any of these be possible?

My 15 year old went to Europe. Children fly all over the Otis every day! Some posters need to update their world view outside their own postcode….

I had very little sympathy for her right up until my dc turned 15. It’s given me a whole new perspective.

Can't use your own device?

"About 400 individuals 'of national security concern', including ISIS fighters, have already returned to the UK from Syria and Iraq, although only 40 have been successfully prosecuted, according to UK Home Office figures."

Im sorry but your typo really made me laugh - an Otis is a penis in our house 😂😂

That’s pretty much what the Times journalist said who met her in Syria.

But MNers know better it seems.

After watching the Tv Series homeland, I trust the govt on the issue

Being British means valuing life.

Can you get that memo to Ian Brady, Myra Hindley, Harold Shipman, Peter Sutcliffe, Thomas Hamilton...

Being British means you have citizenship in this country. It certainly doesn't endow you with any special ethical code, of that we see daily proof.

To be fair I say to people I’m at peace with a 14 week miscarriage I had 8 years ago but I still have nightmares about it. People say lots of things to look strong/because they feel like they “should”

A lot of people on this thread really don’t understand how the security agencies work.

And after watching the Crown I know the royal family personally

What do you work in mental health as, a receptionist?

Shamina's presentation could be PTSD. Some people attempt to deal with their feelings by trying not to feel anything at all. This is known as emotional numbing. You would know that if you were a mental health Practitioner.

seems the same argument could also be made about people and politics in general

the point is as was with brody, and the reason i used homeland is that you can never be truly sure whos side who is on, therefore i trust the security services

Who is she setting a “powerful deterrent”to?

are other minor girls (children under16) really not going to get groomed becuase they’ll think “oh, I might end up like that women Begum?”

right, yep, that’s going to happen!
It will not stop terrorism, nor the manipulation of young minors by terrorist cell males . Literally they do not care the fall out on the women or children for that matter.

I do not condone what she did, but there’s a large male population in jail of ex British citizen terrorists that we don’t make examples of …becuase it’s a fucking waste of time. We put them on trial, lock them up until we can be very sure they’ll not terrorise anyone else

it is illegal under international law to make someone stateless . The reason these lawyers are appealing is the precedent THAT sets

I can only assume that there’s a lot of things in security files about her that we don’t know and are not being said, and the government wants to be rid of this “turbulent priest” without putting her on trial and making this for,Sri on public for security reasons. Not being conspiracist there, it just seems a very odd judgement that is bound to be appealed repeatedly given international law. Or the government is just stupid 🙄

^ this

How much more money would the British Government need to cough up if she comes back? She is potentially a security threat and/or a target.

The Government may be using her as an example but I think it's right that the message is clear on who is welcome to live here and who isn't. Life is bloody hard in the UK for a lot of people at the moment and I would prefer that public spending is directed towards people more deserving than SB.

Newchapterbeckons · Today 21:18

The colour of her skin is totally irrelevant- it is her actions!! Fgs. I can’t imagine a country that would be swifter in riding to her rescue if there was a hint that she was genuinely in trouble, and had been genuinely kidnapped and forced to stay. That was the whole point of a team of SA arriving into Syria to work out what happened.

But most of us know we are being manipulated and played.

Being British means valuing life. It boils down to that. Our heritage is largely irrelevant.

You need to go back and read the history of colonial Britain- "Being British means valuing life" - you mean just their own!!

This is all about her being Muslim. If she was a white girl then she would have been back in the UK long ago and seen a victim of grooming. It's would have been all over the papers that she was "groomed by Muslims".

Would you be happy if the UK got lumbered with terrorists from other countries because the other countries made them stateless?

Not at all, there’s a LOT the public don’t know about security vs politics and ‘people in general’. There’s a lot going on behind the scenes.

The only sympathy I have is for those poor babies who died, I have zero sympathy for her and she has zero remorse for her actions and feels the Manchester Arena attack was justisfied. Absolutely no way should she be allowed back here, a mistake at 15 is falling in with a bad crowd, underage drinking, drugs and sex, petty crime etc not running away and joining a terrorist organisation!

Its funny how now that cookie has crumbled she wants to return to Britain and feels entitled to do so! How is she gonna pay for herself because there's no way she'll be able to work so who's gonna foot the bill for her housing, food, bills, clothes, medical care and protection? Yep the bloody tax payers and its bad enough her lawyers are wasting god knows how much legal aid money fighting to get her back here when that money could have benefitted those who truly deserve it! I resent my taxes funding that never mind everything else if she's allowed to return. She made her bed now she needs to zip her lips and lay in it.

To those of you feeling so sorry for her then why don't you all pay out for her life choices why the hell should us decent hardworking tax payers fund that entitled and remorseless little madam's lifestyle, she only wants to return so she can have and enjoy the housing, benefits and NHS but feels terrorists are justified, sorry but she can't have it both ways, I'm sure ISIS would have done a lot worse to her if they saw her sudden change of heart, and I doubt they would have been as civilized as stripping her citizenship away.

Agree. But she was just 15.....I'm on the fence.

Sorry for her not especially

Do I believe it’s wrong that someone can be rendered stateless yes

Do I think she’s our problem yes

however it appears on a straightforward application of the law it’s all in order so it’s the law that needs changed