To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

[EWAS]

I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

That’s the point. Their (short) lives.

I don't feel sorry for her, but I do think it's wrong that Britain's washed its hands off her, even more so considering she was a minor at the time. Yes, she was over the age of criminal responsibility, but we generally treat under 18s different to adults when it comes to crimes.

I feel no sympathy with her whatsoever. So pleased to hear this morning that common sense prevailed. She showed exactly how she feels about our country and culture in her earlier interviews. Hates us. Was then lawyer'd up and advised to back track, which she did. Unfortunately for her most people didn't believe her change of heart. Leave her where she is. My only thoughts on today's announcement apart from relief, are that she can appeal again, which she will, wasting even more time and money on this awful woman.

I wonder if people would have this much sympathy for her if she had joined a UK-based terrorist organisation who murdered innocent people in this country/these countries.

I guess it's easy to dismiss involvement in murder and terrorism when someone else is the target of it.

I do. Our government has made an example of her
she was monumentally stupid but doesn’t deserve being stripped of her citizenship and being left in a war zone indefinitely

The Secretary of State cannot make an order removing British citizenship if it leaves that person stateless. That is the law.

At the time the decision was taken in 2019, it did not leave her stateless. She had Bangladeshi citizenship by descent. The fact that she would not be permitted to enter Bangladesh is irrelevant. Under both UK and international law, the Secretary of State was free to remove her citizenship.

It is true that, if the decision were to be taken today, it may not be possible to strip her of British citizenship as it appears she no longer has Bangladeshi citizenship. However, the courts today, as in previous rulings on this case, looked at the Secretary of State's decision at the time it was made and concluded it was lawful. They don't reconsider the decision in the light of subsequent events.

Did you even bother to read the Supreme Court documents? No, I did not think so.

Our security services have deemed her to be a risk that's all their is to it. Stop with trying to make a race issue where one does not exist.

I thought that Shamima’s parents live in Bangladesh now ?

I don’t want her back in the UK but I think that she’s the UK’s problem rather than Bangladesh or the refugee camp’s responsibility.

Is she allowed to appeal? The legal cost so far probably could have contributed towards years of surveillance or jail time although I’m not convinced that she’d get a fair trial because of the evidence being overseas and not verifiable.

I feel sorry for her too @EWAS, she was a child.

She should come home. She is our problem. Immediate trial and imprisonment.

Have any of the men who trafficked and raped countless girls been kicked out of the country to live in a tent?

Loads of people make really, really bad decisions at 15 and much older. Why is she the only one who ends up with no country on earth to live in?

Could she go to Holland as his widow

She was a child who was radicalised. We have training for this in schools now. I do think she was a victim

YANBU

She was 15, groomed online, lost everything

she was British born and raised, if she didn’t have Bangladeshi heritage, she would’ve been stateless and the UK couldn’t have removed her citizenship. She was only Bangladeshi technically through her parents and she’s never taken it up. If she had English parents, the government wouldn’t have been able to take her British citizenship away from her.

Personally I think this was a racist decision, she was British an all sense

Here's the worlds smallest violin for the terrorist 🎻
Shame on her

I believe there are other Brits stuck in these camps, with clear British citizenship but not brought back for whatever reason.

Getting her citizenship back doesn't mean immediate entitlement to come back anyway.

Sadly, her stupid actions has made her subject to mistrust and belief of potential manipulation for most likely ever.

Such a sad accumulation of errors but it is life for many others. It cost the life of at least one of her friends.

A bit, for two reasons:

1. she was a child when she left

2. she was born in the UK. If her parents had been white British then they wouldn't be able to do this. It's racist imo.

There’s always consequences for actions and some things are just too big to come back from. I do feel slightly sorry for her having made such a mistake so young but I think the example they are making is an important deterrent to stop others or at least make them think twice.

LOL, I just posted pretty much the exact same thing and then read yours

What 'men'? Are you conflating Shamima Begum with victims of child sexual abuse, which is an entirely separate and incomparable situation?

Point me to the white girl that joined ISIS, spent years as an especially remorseless member of the morality police, describes 'feeling nothing' after seeing beheaded bodies, sewed people into suicide bomb vests, and refused to condemn the Manchester bombings while being interviewed for her appeal. And was consequently seen as a victim.

Very relevant username.

She was not trafficked. She willingly went to Syria.

I listened to the podcast on bbc sounds about her, and I reckon she's probably on the autism spectrum. She said at school she never fit it, didn't know how to befriend people, only went with the other girls as she wanted somewhere she felt like she belonged. And how cold she often appears in interviews, I think it's all part of it.
That aside I feel awful for her. She was blatantly groomed. And her kids! Her eldest was a toddler when she died and she starved to death. I can't even image the trauma she's experienced. I'm ashamed of our nation for not having any empathy.

The evidence for your inflammatory statement (#2) is what, exactly?

I haven't listened to the podcast but I think she didn't do herself any favours when she was first interviewed and essentially said she was not remorseful of her actions.

Suddenly, after a backlash to her attitude by the public there appeared to be a PR spin, she was 'westernised' and put in a baseball cap and told to outwardly show contrition.

I can understand young people get radicalised and make truly terrible decisions without realising the consequences and to some extent she's being made an example of. But I think it's the apparent lack of authenticity that makes people feel she's not truly remorseful and so public opinion will continue to be against her.

I don't feel sorry for her. In many ways she's the architect of her own misfortunes.

However, my unfashionable opinion is that she is a product of the UK and she should be our 'problem' to deal with.

As usual, the debate gets sidetracked by those with a tedious bourgeois obsession about whether 'they' are using 'our' money to pay for the lawyers and due process to which she is clearly entitled.