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To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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EWAS · 23/02/2024 12:56

I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

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Eyesopenwideawake · 23/02/2024 13:16

Thing is, if she was allowed back into the UK she would be under such close scrutiny for the rest of her life the chance of her being a threat is virtually nil. Therefore the UK govt are simply punishing her. Shame on them.

BeretInParis · 23/02/2024 13:17

She made a bad decision when young but then kept doing so. She is quoted as liking Isis beheading videos. She is reported to have sewn people into suicide vests, meaning they couldn't change their minds before they exploded all over the place, taking others with them. No sympathy from me. Our country's safety is more important. That is the priority, not some Isis bride who doesn't like the consequences of her terrorist-sympathising actions.

Balloonhearts · 23/02/2024 13:18

She's never shown a shred of remorse. She's a terrorist and should be left to rot. What's happening to her is no worse than the treatment she herself condones inflicting on others for their beliefs.

Sweetheart7 · 23/02/2024 13:19

Houseplanter · 23/02/2024 13:09

She didn't just make one mistake followed by horror and remorse though did she.

No sympathy from me.

If they had a brought her back quicker in the first place.... that's the issue.

OhmygodDont · 23/02/2024 13:19

She’s shown no actual remorse and she’s over the age of criminal responsibility when she decided to run off and join isis. If we expect 11 years olds to know better than to commit crimes I expect a 15 year old to know better than to join a terrorist organisation.

I feel not one bit of sorrow for her not being allowed back to the U.K.

3peassuit · 23/02/2024 13:21

I’m conflicted on this. On one hand she was 15 and who hasn’t done something stupid at that age but she must have been aware of what Isis were unleashing. She had seen the videos of beheadings and other horrors.

EWAS · 23/02/2024 13:21

I just feel like young, brown, female is the easiest person to make an example of. I really feel for her, her babies and her family, whilst recognising the horror of ISIS and the stupidity of her decisions.

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BeretInParis · 23/02/2024 13:21

NewYearResolutions · 23/02/2024 13:16

I think she was being made an example of. She was only 15 when she ran away from home. She was just a child when she was groomed. She's now stateless and it's because of a technicality in law that she's been made stateless. I read the article about the ruling. Basically because her parents are Bangladashi citizen, she has the right to apply for citizenship before 21. She was 19 when they took away her British citizenship.

If it were my child that has been groomed and rang away with a gang, and wanted to come home now after losing 3 children, I'd want her home.

Bangladesh doesn't want her either. For good reason.

I understand you're looking at this at a very human, sympathetic level but she doesn't deserve your sympathy and our priorities should be the safety of our national security.

Bbq1 · 23/02/2024 13:22

Houseplanter · 23/02/2024 13:09

She didn't just make one mistake followed by horror and remorse though did she.

No sympathy from me.

I hope that woman stays in the refugee camp forever. She made her bed, let her lie in it. She was happy to go out there and participate in horrific acts. As soon as it gets uncomfortable she wants to back to Britain.
Tough
I have no sympathy whatever for this woman. I save that for the people she condoned being murdered and her alleged babies.
I cannot believe pp's on here who claim they could "cry for her" or want her back. She has shown no remorse or understanding whatsoever. If she had spoken out saying how sorry and regretful she was etc etc it might have helped "slightly but no the woman doesn't care, she just wants her comfortable life back.

Bbq1 · 23/02/2024 13:23

And it's nothing to do with her ethnicity.

Hermittrismegistus · 23/02/2024 13:23

I don't feel sorry for her but I do think she should be in the UK where she can be imprisoned and/or be closely monitored for the rest of her life.

HollyKnight · 23/02/2024 13:23

We've put children younger than that in prison.

OhmygodDont · 23/02/2024 13:24

Stupidity? Of her decisions.

Stupid actions/decision’s of teenagers are stealing stuff or getting drunk off a nicked bottle of vodka from a parent or mates parent. It’s doing tombstones into water that may be dangerous, it’s being a bit of a twat and someone getting a little bit hurt maybe. It’s losing an expensive phone or bit of kit.

It’s not joining a terrorist organisation.

Betty000 · 23/02/2024 13:25

Groomed, trafficked and now a scapegoat.

nauticant · 23/02/2024 13:27

I feel sorry for her. But maybe not enough to risk having someone who might be a committed ISIS supporter back in the country.

Betty000 · 23/02/2024 13:27

Bbq1 · 23/02/2024 13:23

And it's nothing to do with her ethnicity.

It is everything to do with her ethnicity

Hapagirl48 · 23/02/2024 13:27

I feel sorry for her too. I listened to the bbc podcast. She doesn't come across as very bright and she made some really bad decisions at a young age. She was groomed and taken advantage of. I think she should come back and face the consequences. Also, we are not doing the world any favours by leaving her and those like her in Syria. These camps are breeding grounds for extremism.

Topseyt123 · 23/02/2024 13:28

I agree with OP. I don't think she should have been made stateless. She's been through that marriage to the Dutch man, which was probably forced and almost certainly abusive. She has had three babies who have all died and I would be willing to bet that they could have survived if born in the UK with access to better nutrition and medical care.

15 year olds are very capable of making ridiculously stupid decisions. If she had been my teenager daughter then I would have wanted her home. I'd have been absolutely beyond furious with her, but I would have wanted her home and to take care of her again.

I realise that if she does return then she will have to be closely watched for a very long time, perhaps tagged too. That's just the way it is.

Miri13 · 23/02/2024 13:30

I don’t. There needs to be consequences for actions. A lot of 15 year olds are making important or difficult decisions every day. She decided to join those monsters. Surprised it wasn’t blamed on mental health issues due to the lockdown!

HelloMiss · 23/02/2024 13:30

EWAS · 23/02/2024 13:21

I just feel like young, brown, female is the easiest person to make an example of. I really feel for her, her babies and her family, whilst recognising the horror of ISIS and the stupidity of her decisions.

She has no babies!!

Iwasafool · 23/02/2024 13:30

Motherofpearlxoxo · 23/02/2024 13:16

I agree with you @EWAS . She was so young and then she didn’t help herself in earlier interviews (as she was still so young and needed better guidance).

I think she’s a complete idiot but she is a British idiot so she should be allowed to come home, even if it is to face terror charges.

In at least some of those interviews, maybe all of them, she was surrounded by ISIS fighters. Yes sure she is going to sit there and say how terrible they are. I wouldn't.

Bbq1 · 23/02/2024 13:30

Betty000 · 23/02/2024 13:27

It is everything to do with her ethnicity

Can you prove it's everything to do with her ethnicity then?

Butchyrestingface · 23/02/2024 13:31

I don’t feel sorry for her such. In fact, if she came back here and ended up serving a spell in the choker on her return, I wouldn’t turn a hair.

But that’s my point. She should come back. She lived her whole life in the UK before she went off to Syria so this is where she needs to return to. She is not some other country’s problem to deal with and the UK should not try to make her one

Clutterbugsmum · 23/02/2024 13:32

This is the right decision.

I don't believe or one moment her and her friend didn't know exactly what they were doing. There was enough information being shared online, new reports and school about the danger of ISIS and other terrorists organisations and how they recruit.

Iwasafool · 23/02/2024 13:33

Bbq1 · 23/02/2024 13:23

And it's nothing to do with her ethnicity.

Of course it is. White girls get trafficked big scandal, men arrested girls are victims. Brown girl is trafficked she deserves everything she gets. It is so clear her ethnicity is an issue.

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