To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

And as for the people who think she isn't very bright, Shemima was on target to get all A and A* in her GCSE'S.

I saw a programme where an expert analysed her body language when she was answering questions about this whole event and she was saying the 'right' answers but lying through her teeth. She wasn't speaking the truth. She just wants to get back to the UK for a comfortable life. Pleased the Judge's had the backbone to say no. We are better off with her gone

Very conflicted on this. Women certainly took part in torture and murder during the caliphate. But we don't know if Shamima is guilty of that. Sounds like she was preoccupied with pregnancy/ motherhood?

Not particularly sorry for her but....what good is citizenship if it can be revoked like this? Seems a bit draconian.

I think she was likely groomed.
I don't understand how girls of 15 who were groomed by gangs of men and were raped are (thankfully) seen as victims of grooming but she at 15 apparently knew exactly what she was doing.
Oh wait, I do understand, she's not white and is Muslim.

And she freely admits that she knew exactly what she was doing, where she was going, what the plans were and how to execute those plans.
She may have been 15 but she wasn’t anywhere near as innocent as she’d like you to think. The government will have very good reasons why she’s not being allowed back in.
She’s shown no remorse whatsoever for her actions.

Some interesting equations on this thread between actual terrorist organizations and lawful governments. Big difference between those in terms of law. They are not equivalent actions.

She is not a British problem because she supported a terrorist group. Good.

No, I don't feel the slightest sympathy for her.

The abused & trafficked white teenagers of Rotherham etc weren't enjoying having Yazidi children as servants. They weren't enjoying watching people being burned to death in cages. There is a fundamental difference.

Begum doesn't show regret for anything except her own situation.

That is clearly nonsense.

She's a terrorist piece of shit ,
She deserves to rot in whichever hell hole she is stuck in

‘when I saw my first severed head in a bin, it didn’t faze me at all’……

@LankyCranky32 "there would have been an instant search to find me",
There was no mystery about where she was once it was realised she was using her sisters passport (and money). She crossed from Turkey to a place no forces of law and order were allowed.

I feel for her. She was 15. She lost 3 children. She became too famous and therefore a political hot potato after that journalist found her. Others with greater anonymity could well have come home but she had no chance.
On top of the above, she seems to have the personality type that makes her appear emotionless. People like to see emotion and she can’t give them what they want.
I'm stunned that someone who was a child when they first got embroiled in this can now be stateless- it’s uncivilised.

No - she didn't she had right to apply due to dormant citizenship due to her parents up to age 21.

At 19 UK stripped her of her citizenship having found her pg in a refuge camp - despite Bangladesh officials saying they wouldn't have her even if she got in a position she could apply to them before 21.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68372112/page/2#:~:text=Begum%20was%20born%20in%20the,baby%20later%20died%20of%20pneumonia.

That my issues with it using a technicality to make someone stateless - its the precedent that worries me.

No sympathy. I fully support todays decision. May it set a precedence.

Couldn’t give a hoot quite frankly.

She got what she deserved.

Her best bet, at this point, might be to see if she could live in the Netherlands as her husband is Dutch and the country has a policy of allowing former jihadis to return. (Or at least this was the policy when I attended a conference in The Hague about this issue. Happy to be corrected if someone has evidence to the contrary.)

It's quite telling that Bangladesh don't want her.

I feel sorry for her because she was so young when she got into this. But I also think she poses a risk because her beliefs have essentially not changed. She has never expressed any regret, sees herself as a victim (and not of Isis but of a cruel western world), and feels no remorse that she allowed herself to be used as an advertisement and recruiting tool for a terrorist organisation.

Is it final?

The lawyers say they ‘want to keep fighting’

Not sure if you need grounds for Supreme Court appeal

You must be joking!

We've paid £5 million in Legal Aid already for this fiasco.

You can feel for her while also recognising that allowing her back is too much of a risk for the UK. The decision is brutal but the right one.

Sally-Anne Jones was white British and joined Isis. She was assassinated in Raqqa along with her 12 year old son.

Basically because her parents are Bangladashi citizen, she has the right to apply for citizenship before 21. She was 19 when they took away her British citizenship

This is correct, or to put it another way the UK "got in first" and removed it while she could still apply elsewhere

Not sure how many times this is that the Home Office have been found to have behaved legally, but frankly I'm getting tired of all this money being spent on her - and that's without what it would have cost in surveillance had she been allowed back

Basically the safety of the vast majority comes before Shamima and her like, and I only wish they'd been as decisive with far more

Well here's an idea. Let's hear about it. Bring her back and put her on trial. Let's hear the evidence. There's a lot of hearsay, a lot of hysterics... let's have the actual evidence.

Tories have made a lot of decisions lightly - whether to advice by their own COVID rules (no), whether to hand their mates £millions for useless PPE, whether to lie about the consequences of Brexit, whether to invest in public services.... And this is the one decision where we trust them blindly? If they told me it was sunny outside, I'd go and look.

We are forgetting that she married Yago Riedijk therefore she has Dutch status as his wife/widow.

There could be a number of reasons she said and felt this, none of which necessarily make her a murderer.
She was inured to this by her circumstances. She was naive to be truthful about this.