To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

Newchapterbeckons · Today 21:31

I work in mental health and I am not seeing a typical PTSD reaction at all, although disassociation should not be ruled out. You seem to be searching for a way to understand her, without truly appreciating her values are so different to yours.
However, there is no evidence to suggest she was groomed or forced overseas, she willingly flew there. Willingly remained there for many years despite being offered escape route multiple times. Including the secret services.

You don't have any idea how grooming happens. It's a bit like saying that those girls in Rotherham willingly slept with all those older men as the time when they were not resisting or saying they were raped. It was only years later that it dawned on them and others that they were were groomed. What about the victims of Jimmy Saville- those girls at the also seemed to be willingly wanting to sleep with them. We only understand grooming process more now and Shamina was groomed by the very virtue of her age if nothing else.

The first bit is the one thing I have wondered from the start. How the hell were 3 unsupervised teenagers able to leave the UK and fly to turkey without anyone asking what they were doing and for proof.

Yep, the authorities knew that this was a thing.

These girls got lucky.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/20/five-teenage-girls-interested-syria-banned-from-leaving-uk

If you work in mental health then why not do a bit of research on how this grooming happens? It's actually quite basic social psychology.

Well, it’s backfiring because this government’s new law on revoking citizenship is making decent, law-abiding, naturalised citizens like me not give a shit about your ‘beautiful country’.

Respect is a two way street and the way Britain has become, it deserves none.

That’s a valid question. But, honestly, yes I would understand if a terrorist held UK citizenship, had another citizenship revoked and became our problem.

This is what happened to Begum, but in reverse. She was never stateless.

I genuinely cannot see what the issue is with Bangladesh having to stand behind its citizenship law. If it creates problems for Bangladesh they should change their law.

No. No sympathy what so ever. She made her choice, she has no regrets of her choice.
for those who are saying they have sympathy, have you seen what the effect religious choice has on the world?

Yawn, another variation of let her hang because she’s Muslim. So far so racist.

You are so arrogant thinking you know better than the Bangladeshi Foreign Ministry and the New York Times 😂

Delulu.

Why do you feel less good about the UK because of the treatment of Shamima Begum?

How does that affect you?

Some countries don’t allow dual citizenship at all - Austria, India, Japan, Holland (mostly) for example. Do you think they’re terrible for having that policy?

Not in the slightest.

Oh give up. You know you’re wrong. Just do the right thing and say so.

Nope. I understand the difference between a threat to national security and a trafficked child.i find it sad that you don't.

Because any of us can be treated like Shamima. The government and the likes of Suella can make up any old shit and I would lose my citizenship.

I have no loyalty to a country like that. Fuck them.

And not allowing dual citizenship is different to revoking citizenship of the country you’re a citizen of.

You haven’t even stated any facts, just linked to Bangladeshi law.

Any of us can be treated like Begum if we go to Syria and join ISIL.

”Make up any old shit”? Seriously?

Yawn, another variation of let her hang because she’s Muslim. So far so racist.

She participated in the germicide of other ethnic groups and religions including other Muslims.

You sound like Bush and his ‘you’re either with us or against us’.

Governments do lie. And they have lost my loyalty with this law. I owe the country nothing now.

No, she didn’t.

I listened to a BBC podcast where the woman who was married to El Shafee Elsheikh was trying to get herself and her children out of one of these camps and back to Canada. She is in Canada now but under house arrest.
Having all these Isis members in camps in Syria is a nightmare waiting to happen. Don't they remove the boy children and put them in separate camps when they are a certain age ? It's surely a breeding ground for extremism.

I think it is terrible that she is punished for making mistakes as a 15 yo teenager.
I think you are being stupidly unreasonable for making it a gender issue when a simple google search would show that 00s of men have been stripped of their UK citizenship.

Oh, right, “just” showed you the law.

Please stop this foolish tirade of yours.

You don’t even understand what you linked to.

You haven’t stated a single fact.

Everyone deserves justice, not just white people.

She's getting it.