To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

As is yours that you apparently insist everyone must be 100% British and ignore any other heritage lines. Very British Empire of you. Hope I'm not interrupting your high tea with J Rees-Mogg.

You can enforce Britishness on everyone born here all you want, but I'm still keeping my skin colour and my multi-cultural inheritance. Thankfully.

She doesn't seem sorry at all and when she worked that out she got a makeover to westonise her looks and tried again but even with people feeding her lines and what to say she still doesn't regret what she did and i wouldn't turn my back on her for a second

She feels the bombs were justified that's enough for me

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5f463af0e90e074c539812d5/2019-02-11_Terrorist_Offences_Fact_Sheet_RA.pdf

And it was wrong, and I feel sorry for her being made a political scapegoat.

You are the one enforcing Bangladeshi citizenship on Shamima when she doesn’t have it.

So take a look at yourself.

If she was found at 15 yes.

Now? Fuck that.

You can’t make up the law as you go along.

The courts have declared this lawful.

I doubt you trump the courts. Even if you shout and swear.

According to the New Yorker and The Times, the MI6 have said Shamima’a fate is purely political:

International law forbids governments from rendering their citizens stateless. The British government has justified taking away Begum’s nationality on the grounds that her mother is Bangladeshi, and so she is eligible for citizenship until the age of twenty-one. This is a fiction. Begum has never lived in Bangladesh.

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.” Barrett, the former MI6 official, told me that Begum’s fate was not being driven by security concerns or logic. “This is a purely political decision,” he said. “

Link?

Yep ... Me! if I could get my hands on her 😈😁

https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-uk/if-shamima-begum-the-isis-bride-is-no-longer-british-what-does-citizenship-mean

Wow. The NYT is wrong about Bangladeshi citizenship law. Who’d have thought it?

When the definition of grooming is victim blaming in itself we are going to get nowhere.

Yep let’s trust you over the NYT

I feel desperately sad for her, a deeply traumatised young person used as political fodder.

You don’t have to trust me. Just Google ‘Bangladeshi citizenship law’.

But no, clutch the NYT close as the fount of all wisdom. 🙄

Exactly

The various bleeding heart commentators are entitled to their opinions, but not to their own version of the law - and so far every single authority has found that the process has complied with it

Link something yourself then.

You clutch your prejudices.

The court ruled the Rwanda policy illegal too, but our PM keeps shouting about and wasting the court’s time trying to make the unlawful, lawful.

Again, not a security concern so much as political grandstanding.

You’d probably feel less sad if your daughter had been in Manchester Arena for the Ariana Grande concert. Begum said that bombing was justified.

Another naive view. The government has always interfered in the courts.

But you hold on to your rose tinted view.

It didn’t seem to work with Rwanda. Or the proroguing of Parliament.

She was born in the UK so she will have a UK birth certificate and is a UK citizen. Her parents are of Bangladeshi heritage but something I read suggested that she has never been there and she wouldn't be eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship. It is against international law to leave someone stateless.

She grew up in a religious community. As someone who was brought up in a Christian community, I trusted the leaders around me, so I can understand how she could have been influenced by those who ultimately groomed/indoctrinated her to believe that going to Syria was the right thing to do. Thankfully, the people who influenced me just wanted me to be part of a mainstream Christian Church, but I can see how a young teenager could be influenced and radicalised by religious leaders.

Yes, I feel sorry for her. Put your 11,12, 13, 14, 15 year old self in her place, surrounded by radical religious views, and ask yourself how you would have reacted. I am not for a moment condoning her actions -what she did was clearly very wrong - but she acted as a typical impulsive teenager, influenced by those she had grown to trust.

OK.

Here’s the actual Act. See s.5.

http://bdlaws.minlaw.gov.bd/act-242.html

I'm sorry?

I must have missed the bit where the Rochdale girls tortured and bullied other women and children, sewed young women into suicide vests, and gloried in dustbins filled the heads of people who disagreed with them.

That stuff must have been on an inside page.