To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

She doesn't seem sorry at all ...

There have been various versions of this posted, @Theunamedcat, and while I agree, I don't actually care whether she appears sorry or not - largely because it's just too easy to learn a few phrases to parrot about "regret"

We see this all the time, most recently with Abdul Ezedi and his "Christian conversion", but too often it's just a smokescreen to avoid consequences and for me actions matter more

This is a bullshit argument. I have been impacted by terrorism that doesn't mean I believe the UK should be able to strip British citizens off their nationality.

Shemima Begum is a very young woman who has been used. Not least by our government.

Even with Rwanda, people thought the government would get its way. It was only when faced with flouting the UNHCR and the ECHR that the courts saw reason:

There was reason to think that the Supreme Court would side with the government. Under its current president, Lord Reed, the court has a reputation for being deferent to the executive and legislature on policy issues. Like the High Court judges and the Lord Chief Justice who dissented at the Court of Appeal, it was not hard to conceive of the court holding that it was entirely a matter for the home secretary to assess the suitability of Rwanda. If ministers were going to win on a “policy” case, it was going to be at the Supreme Court of Lord Reed.

I think anyone who enters a country and commits a crime- a serious crime or fraud should be sent back to their country of origin. It would be a deterrent.

However, she was a child. Where are all the men.

You linked hundreds of pages 🙄

No I do not feel sorry for her.

Just click on 5 in the index. As per the instruction.

She grew up in a religious community. As someone who was brought up in a Christian community, I trusted the leaders around me, so I can understand how she could have been influenced by those who ultimately groomed/indoctrinated her to believe that going to Syria was the right thing to do

I'd like to think those encouraging her towards terrorism didn't come from the religious community, @snoopyfanaccountant, since most of them are thoroughly decent people

Who knows though ... it certainly wouldn't be the first time it had happened

Simple question here. How many of us have, or have children or grand-children who have, or nephews, nieces, friends and friends' children or family- who potentially would have the right to apply for a second nationality, although born and bred in the UK?

Some may have visited the country on holiday, some would speak the language of that country. Some like Begum, never did.

Do you consider them any less British?

All irrelevant as the Bagladeshi government were clear they didn’t want her.

No, but the government clearly does.

Sadly those who influenced her were part of/infiltrated her religious community.

Exactly. Fucking hell. Rose West had a difficult upbringing. Lucy Letby had low self-esteem. You could say Elliott Rodger was groomed by incel rhetoric.

There are so many worthy causes out there to champion. A terrorist and major security threat really isn't one of them.

Does she consider herself British? Or just desperate?

@Manopadmanaban

Intrigued how you got me accusing all terrorists as being autistic from what I wrote. Please explain.

but it truly should not. I am sure this could have never happened to any child with legal possible access to Irish, French, Italian, German, Spanish, US, etc, nationality. Come on, be honest here.

I have a great friend who was born in UK of an English mother and a Pakistani dad. She is 100% through and through British. Never been to Pakistan, does not speak Paskistani either.

@fleurneige let's call a spade a spade here... it is the reason. I don't agree though I think its very wrong!

I'm really sorry to hear this, but if it's so then hopefully that community will also be subject to investigation ... except that in too many cases "community sensitivities" have stood in the way of proper processes

She has zero remorse.

People going on about racism because SB isn't white, meanwhile, almost everyone her group killed were non-white ethnic/religious minority groups.

What a bastard she is to expect mercy when she was partaking in that evil, and beloved in it up until adulthood. Likely still does.

So where would they send white people or is it only ethnic people that you believe should be deported if they committ a crime?

MN is batshit.

Any time someone posts about their 12 year old daughter being bullied by say, a 13/14 year old boy, everyone screams "he's OLD ENOUGH to know right from wrong- he should know bullying is wrong!".

Or, if a 7 year old child threw a ball at your toddlers face in a soft play everyone screeches "they are OLD ENOUGH to know better- children learn right from wrong at a very early age!"

Or, if a 4 year old never says please or thank you, everyone says "My 4 year old KNOWS about manners, they're OLD ENOUGH to know about manners!"

Yet a 15 year old girl joins a terrorist group and suddenly it's all "oh poor love, it's not her fault- she didnt know, she was duped, she's just a kid, everyone makes mistakes at that age".

Alrighty then.

I don’t consider them ‘less’ British at all. But if you are going to join a death cult and choose to join a terrorist group, and be part of mass torture and murder then please do not expect to come home and allow our hardworking tax payers to pay for your despicable crimes/prison stay and bankroll the rest of your life. Regardless of your heritage.It really does not matter.
No one is welcome home under these circumstances. It stops being your home when you sew suicide vests and have total disregard for human life. Including the lives of your own children.

my opinion is why this woman? Why is the government going to such lengths to keep Ms Begum out when others have been allowed to return? I don't believe we know everything we need to know about Ms Begum and exactly what her actions were during her stay in Afghanistan. MI5/MI6 know they advise the Government its their job to keep us safe.
That doesn't mean I am heartless to her grief and the terrible loss of her 3 children which we can all agree is awful.

The thing that worries me is that stripping her of her citizenship only sends one message: you’re not one of us, we don’t care about you.

You can’t underestimate just how insidious the ways that recruit kids are. They use things like this to say “no one care about you/ you’re different/ they don’t see you as an equal/ they are evil” to kids that are already feeling vulnerable or singled out and then they reel them in. And the governments actions provide the evidence for it.