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To think alot of people who have money/assets generally are clueless and lack empathy for those who don't.

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LindaHamilton · 23/02/2024 00:05

I was chatting to colleague today about the UK couple who won the 61 million in the lotto. Colleague is much better paid than me and owns a house here in South East... She started ranting about how nobody needs that money and ''you'd get bored blah blah blah''

Other colleague also on a much better salary than me, who was given a big inheritance last year said similar and that she wouldn't want to win the lotto and why would anybody want that money?

On a similar note I'm reading many posts tonight on here and people saying their inheritance they received was no big deal and I've seen threads like this before. Basically people who got inheritances telling people who got none to stop complaining and to be happy. Easy to bloody say when you were given an inheritance....

AIBU to think there is a massive lack of empathy here? And people with money try to act like it's no big deal and think that those who don't have it should just suck it up?

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BobbyBiscuits · 24/02/2024 09:58

Most people are incredibly incapable of understanding poverty if they have never experienced it.
What I find is rich people will moan about the price of a villa in the same way we moan about the price of a pint of milk. They see it as the same level of inconvenience. Rich people are so high maintanence that if they have to do without a sixth luxury holiday, a slightly smaller than an eye ball diamond etc, then they will act like cost of living has had them starving on the streets.
Rishi Sunak doesn't even know how to use a SHOP ffs?!

Willyoujustbequiet · 24/02/2024 10:01

Yanbu OP. You see it all the time on here.

The majority of wealth has bugger all to do with working hard, it's down to luck and opportunity given by the hand you were dealt. Some people are clueless.

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 24/02/2024 10:03

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 09:40

''We now live in londo and own a couple of properties, bought outright - we are not rich, we live in an ordinary house with 4 double bedrooms now original house was 5 bedrooms - have nice cars left work aged just over 50 and have oe proper holiday a year now and several mini breaks in UK and EU''

then yes you are bloody rich. My God, you have just proved my point I made on my op.

Thank you. We are not "rich" trust me as where we living in greater London, property prices are nothing like most inner areas of London - we live south side. Its a nice area IMO otherwise we would not have bought here and our rentals are close by as well as our children

Our parents brought us up and I got married aged 19 and my OH is a few years old than me.

We worked, never wanted to but dad instilled into us "you have to work, earn money and look after it.. as did mum"

We never got or expected a peny from our parents as both of our mums duied soon after we got married and dads had a new, young family and when dads talked about Wills, we told them to look after their new family.

When you have worked hard but as importantly been prudent with spending and savings and gradually built up your assets, you don't feel "rich" We did not go abroad with our children as we always went as a family unit until the youngest was 14.

My OH dreamed about having an Audi like a famous person one, then as time went on, we could afford a brand new one, then gradually upgraded to other makes etc and more hols etc

What I am say, we are not "rich" but comfortable and do care about others working, spending/saving prudently and struggling or worrying re money for utility bills and food

BIossomtoes · 24/02/2024 10:07

@DistingusedSocialCommentator. We’re very comfortable with one mortgage free house in the provinces, a year old car and some nice holidays. Stop playing Marie Antoinette and just accept you’re loaded. It’s so offensive to people far, far worse off than you - the majority - to take this ridiculous attitude.

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 10:08

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ssd · 24/02/2024 10:11

midgetastic · 24/02/2024 09:34

Wierdly not totally true

You can be very poor and happy as long as you feel you are being treated fairly , that everyone is poor with you - it's when you have huge inequality that poor becomes a huge indicator of unhappiness

It's why at difficult times the idea of "all in this together" gets promoted

Thats true. When i grew up in a council scheme we were all the same, i only knew a few families with bought houses who had more than us.
Now everyone is mixed up and the media is all over folk with flashy lifestyles its hard not to feel inadequate and jealous.

midgetastic · 24/02/2024 10:12

I suspect they are shit stirring you op

Although I did read recently how the top 10% don't see themselves as rich as they have so much less than the top 5% ... inequality again altering their reality

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 24/02/2024 10:14

BIossomtoes · 24/02/2024 10:07

@DistingusedSocialCommentator. We’re very comfortable with one mortgage free house in the provinces, a year old car and some nice holidays. Stop playing Marie Antoinette and just accept you’re loaded. It’s so offensive to people far, far worse off than you - the majority - to take this ridiculous attitude.

I'm glad you "comfortable" like us.

As I said and I think I posted after you and you had already posted a post I did not see at the time - when people work to build up their assets/home, as its done gradually as we never expected nor wanted a windfall, we do not feel "rich."

We could sell one property, pay the mass of tax and pocket a couple of hundred k's, but as we have built up everything, people in our position always fear having to depend on others when we never have so we are prudent with out money but less so, hence the relatively expensive car/s and their up keep etc

However, I see where you are coming from, but politely disagreeing with you for reasons provided above

Defaultsettings · 24/02/2024 10:15

meowie · 23/02/2024 09:24

Another astonishingly tone deaf and un-self-aware post.

I am not sure I agree that wealthy people can't feel empathy for those who are struggling.

We made a decision to buy a property slightly further out. As opposed to those who can only dream of getting on the property ladder.

My dad was wealthy.

until we had bought our forever home

my mum was much more generous and helped us all financially

I empathise with people who are struggling but sometimes I see that they struggle to save or wait until they can afford things and make in my opinion poor choices.

There is only so much money you can have before it becomes meaningless. Life cannot just be about money. Only the comfortably off ever say stuff like this.

Eye-opening thread, this.

Exactly. In the words of Jarvis Cocker…”if you called your Dad, he could stop this”

if you come from poverty you have no back up.

Xenia · 24/02/2024 10:15

It is all relative, always someone better off or worse off. It is certainly a good idea to try to put yourself in the shoes of others, don't assume everyone can afford what you can afford etc.

There is no legal definition of "rich". It probably just means someone who earns more than you do.

If you have enough to pay the bills as they come in that is good feeling. Last week I replaced a household item and remembered a time when that felt such a difficult thing to do (due to money), but I certainly have never been on the breadline. I don't have a pension other than state when I am heading for 70 and will work until I die but that's no problem.

ssd · 24/02/2024 10:17

@DistingusedSocialCommentator , honestly, you're just digging yourself a deeper hole there.

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 10:19

ssd · 24/02/2024 10:11

Thats true. When i grew up in a council scheme we were all the same, i only knew a few families with bought houses who had more than us.
Now everyone is mixed up and the media is all over folk with flashy lifestyles its hard not to feel inadequate and jealous.

but council estates or living in 1 doesn't equate to poverty. I know a head of department in a school single mum who is comfortable living in a council estate. Just because 1 couldn't afford a house doesn't mean they are poor. I know people living in council estates who wanted for nothing.

Poverty and living in a council estate are 2 totally different things. You can live in a council estate both today and in the past and be reasonably comfortable.

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Moveoverdarlin · 24/02/2024 10:22

I kind of agree with the first colleague. She’s probably not ultra wealthy but equally doesn’t live on the breadline. And 61 million is almost too much. A million or two would be bloody wonderful. If I won £61 million I would worry that it could ruin us.

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 24/02/2024 10:23

ssd · 24/02/2024 10:17

@DistingusedSocialCommentator , honestly, you're just digging yourself a deeper hole there.

For posting honestly and from the heart? It is how I feel so please and believe, so stop trying to goad me. Our perceptions can vary, are you aware of that?

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 10:24

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 24/02/2024 10:14

I'm glad you "comfortable" like us.

As I said and I think I posted after you and you had already posted a post I did not see at the time - when people work to build up their assets/home, as its done gradually as we never expected nor wanted a windfall, we do not feel "rich."

We could sell one property, pay the mass of tax and pocket a couple of hundred k's, but as we have built up everything, people in our position always fear having to depend on others when we never have so we are prudent with out money but less so, hence the relatively expensive car/s and their up keep etc

However, I see where you are coming from, but politely disagreeing with you for reasons provided above

And Brad Pitt can feel 'unattractive' I guess...

Or Jimmy Saville or Hitler can feel like they were good people...

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LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 10:25

Xenia · 24/02/2024 10:15

It is all relative, always someone better off or worse off. It is certainly a good idea to try to put yourself in the shoes of others, don't assume everyone can afford what you can afford etc.

There is no legal definition of "rich". It probably just means someone who earns more than you do.

If you have enough to pay the bills as they come in that is good feeling. Last week I replaced a household item and remembered a time when that felt such a difficult thing to do (due to money), but I certainly have never been on the breadline. I don't have a pension other than state when I am heading for 70 and will work until I die but that's no problem.

It's a problem if your health plays up which is statistically much more probable after 70.

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ssd · 24/02/2024 10:26

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 24/02/2024 10:23

For posting honestly and from the heart? It is how I feel so please and believe, so stop trying to goad me. Our perceptions can vary, are you aware of that?

Edited

I'll swap your 'goad' and give you 'patronise'...

BIossomtoes · 24/02/2024 10:27

I'm glad you "comfortable" like us.

You’re not remotely like us. We don’t own multiple properties in one of the most expensive cities in the world. You’re properly rich. I expect we are by a lot of people’s standards too.

ssd · 24/02/2024 10:28

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 10:19

but council estates or living in 1 doesn't equate to poverty. I know a head of department in a school single mum who is comfortable living in a council estate. Just because 1 couldn't afford a house doesn't mean they are poor. I know people living in council estates who wanted for nothing.

Poverty and living in a council estate are 2 totally different things. You can live in a council estate both today and in the past and be reasonably comfortable.

You probably can. We weren't but i didn't notice as much as i would now. Or maybe i was just younger.

Speckledpasta · 24/02/2024 10:29

Well it sounds like you were asking their opinion in a bid to then attack them. Who were you asking them to empathise with? You?

Perhaps those in poverty would be upset at your lack of empathy, talking about wanting to win the lottery (£61m) when winning the lottery to them might be a roof over their heads and a warm meal. Maybe you need to empathise.

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 10:32

Speckledpasta · 24/02/2024 10:29

Well it sounds like you were asking their opinion in a bid to then attack them. Who were you asking them to empathise with? You?

Perhaps those in poverty would be upset at your lack of empathy, talking about wanting to win the lottery (£61m) when winning the lottery to them might be a roof over their heads and a warm meal. Maybe you need to empathise.

I didn't ask them, it was on the tv and they started talking about it and how nobody needs that money. Both colleagues are on very comfortable salaries and had plenty of family help given to them.

I am not lacking empathy or any1,I said 61 million would be great for anybody.

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LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 10:34

ssd · 24/02/2024 10:28

You probably can. We weren't but i didn't notice as much as i would now. Or maybe i was just younger.

Then your point is moot if you were not struggling. My point was that poverty kills happiness, you and the other poster are disputing that and you are basing that just because you grew up in a council estate.

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Fionaville · 24/02/2024 10:36

'You'd get bored' shows not only a complete lack of imagination, but also zero awareness. One of the games I like to play when thinking of winning the lottery, is how much I'd give to local causes and what good I'd do with the money. As well as all the selfish stuff too, I'm not a Saint. But I know where the money could do a lot of good. People who talk like your colleagues are the pits. They are trying to present themselves as deeper and not needing money, but they just come across as very basic to me.

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 10:39

Fionaville · 24/02/2024 10:36

'You'd get bored' shows not only a complete lack of imagination, but also zero awareness. One of the games I like to play when thinking of winning the lottery, is how much I'd give to local causes and what good I'd do with the money. As well as all the selfish stuff too, I'm not a Saint. But I know where the money could do a lot of good. People who talk like your colleagues are the pits. They are trying to present themselves as deeper and not needing money, but they just come across as very basic to me.

agreed but it annoyed me that 1 colleague was handed a huge gift from parents and got a house in a prime location in London few could afford, that is on top of a comfortable salary. It really irked me then they said they wouldn't even want to won the lottery.... And I think some people here are missing my point.

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Untilitisnt · 24/02/2024 10:40

There's a difference between having money and being wealthy.
Lots of people on this site would be perceived as being rich, when in fact, they are only relatively rich
True wealth, where you are one of the 3% who has 80% of the country's wealth is where you need to be.
The level of envy disguised as moral indignation by OP is high

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