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To think alot of people who have money/assets generally are clueless and lack empathy for those who don't.

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LindaHamilton · 23/02/2024 00:05

I was chatting to colleague today about the UK couple who won the 61 million in the lotto. Colleague is much better paid than me and owns a house here in South East... She started ranting about how nobody needs that money and ''you'd get bored blah blah blah''

Other colleague also on a much better salary than me, who was given a big inheritance last year said similar and that she wouldn't want to win the lotto and why would anybody want that money?

On a similar note I'm reading many posts tonight on here and people saying their inheritance they received was no big deal and I've seen threads like this before. Basically people who got inheritances telling people who got none to stop complaining and to be happy. Easy to bloody say when you were given an inheritance....

AIBU to think there is a massive lack of empathy here? And people with money try to act like it's no big deal and think that those who don't have it should just suck it up?

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LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 11:39

thecatsthecats · 24/02/2024 11:36

I didn't say a damn word about their jobs. I said that there was a specific job that I should have gone for that we all joked about when I found it because it seemed like one of those dream jobs.

Bear in mind the salary range in the group was within 10k, so none of us wildly richer.

''Made a glibcomment.ina group chat that I should have gone for the lower paying job that involved playing with guide dog puppies to socialise them.''

that sounds like you were diminishing their roles

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Fionaville · 24/02/2024 11:55

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 11:29

I am not being rude, I am just disputing your idea that there is some big universal community spirit in towns that isn't in cities. I grew up in a town so I have not seen it.

I said MY town, whilst also saying the wealthier town next door gives less to the local charities. So you were being defensive for no reason.
My original point about being from a town, rather than a city was in relation to not knowing as much about local causes. For example if a local child has a rare cancer and needs funding to go to America for treatment. Everyone in the town of 60 thousand knows, because everyone is connected in someway. If the day centre for disabled adults has a fire and loses all their board games, everyone knows somebody who goes there and rallies round. That's the point I was making about towns versus cities. That perhaps I can think of so many local causes that would benefit from large donations because I feel more connected to them living in a town, because the people in a small town are all connected in some way.

ssd · 24/02/2024 12:18

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 11:31

Well then stop saying absurd things. You are saying people living in poverty are happy because it's all they know and so they make peace with it.... do you actually believe that truthfully?

@LindaHamilton , a lot of us here totally got what you were talking about straight away on this thread but you're actually putting people off by frankly arguing with anyone who comments. You're making yourself look daft in the process. If that's what you're like in rl I pity you.

InterIgnis · 24/02/2024 12:19

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 10:52

It isn't envy, people can have a billion quid and I don't care. It's more the attitude that it's insignificant or that they don't have it better than others. A poster on another thread said she got an inheritance that cleared her mortgage but that people shouldn't be jealous as she still had to work to pay her other bills.....

No matter the wealth, people will still have struggles and they’re allowed to make mention of them. They don’t need to always centre someone else’s sensibilities, and qualify their statements to pander to them.

CharlieRight · 24/02/2024 12:30

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 09:17

If you and you DW are doing PHDS and are an engineer then you obviously are both intelligent. Many people wouldn't be able to manage such paths in life though and not have the opportunity to better themselves you must remember. They also were born into families where education wasn't valued so they wouldn't have had the opportunities to progress like you and dw.

I think you’re missing the point of my earlier post which is that having massive amounts of money takes away satisfaction in direct proportion to how much you have, it takes away the need to strive and the appreciation and sense of purpose that comes from that. So people saying a rollover win is not something that they desire isn’t unreasonable, though I’d not say no!
of course at the other end of the scale with no money and no hope the purpose of life is also absent.
At both extremes without purpose people are not happy and develop self destructive habits.

and for the record I am from a Yorkshire pit-village and have been a soldier, a binman, a lorry driver and a farm worker. Engineers don’t make a great deal of money but the rich tapestry of my life has always helped me to relate to others and become a good manager and leader- that’s why we’ve got a few quid.

meowie · 24/02/2024 12:49

Come on guys, don't gang up on the OP! It's an interesting discussion!

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 13:19

ssd · 24/02/2024 12:18

@LindaHamilton , a lot of us here totally got what you were talking about straight away on this thread but you're actually putting people off by frankly arguing with anyone who comments. You're making yourself look daft in the process. If that's what you're like in rl I pity you.

I am simply challenging a comment you made/agreed with which is frankly offensive towards the poor or the unfortunate. You are attacking me now because you realise what a shitty thing it is to say.

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LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 13:25

InterIgnis · 24/02/2024 12:19

No matter the wealth, people will still have struggles and they’re allowed to make mention of them. They don’t need to always centre someone else’s sensibilities, and qualify their statements to pander to them.

But that's irrelevant, my point is people who get some sort of benefit/privilege and then act like it's nothing and insignificant...like the poster saying getting the inheritance that wiped her mortgage meant nothing as she still had other bills to pay. She didn't mention her struggles, she tried to dismiss those who were saying they couldn't get on the property ladder without an inheritance as having nothing to moan about. Don't be so obtuse to see she is being an ungrateful brat.

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dottiedodah · 24/02/2024 13:26

61 million is a crazy amount,however I think if the amounts were lowered then less people would enter ,and it would lose its attraction.Many people who have "made it" seem not to realise that they are clever and driven and also sometimes a slice of "luck" plays a big part too.

InterIgnis · 24/02/2024 13:27

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 13:25

But that's irrelevant, my point is people who get some sort of benefit/privilege and then act like it's nothing and insignificant...like the poster saying getting the inheritance that wiped her mortgage meant nothing as she still had other bills to pay. She didn't mention her struggles, she tried to dismiss those who were saying they couldn't get on the property ladder without an inheritance as having nothing to moan about. Don't be so obtuse to see she is being an ungrateful brat.

But who cares? If someone wants to comment on their own situation then let them get on and do that, they don’t need to qualify it to appease someone with a different perspective. What is unreasonable is making someone else’s comment about themselves, about you. You’re never going to be the main character in the lives of complete strangers who are absolutely entitled to their own opinions.

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 13:37

dottiedodah · 24/02/2024 13:26

61 million is a crazy amount,however I think if the amounts were lowered then less people would enter ,and it would lose its attraction.Many people who have "made it" seem not to realise that they are clever and driven and also sometimes a slice of "luck" plays a big part too.

This with bells on. There are umpteen other lotteries that pay out smaller amounts and they are nowhere near as successful and people who don't want the big sums Can play the post Code lottery and the others like thunder ball and hot picks .

But it's delusional and somewhat preachy when people say the big lotteries should be Cancelled, clearly the many millions of people who play it don't agree and want the big money and it's totally their pejorative if they are paying for the tickets.

In essence, if people don't want such an amount then simply don't play but people shouldn't then say nobody should get it or that the sums are too big. People played it and won it fair and square, if they want to pay the money for it and the lotto are making a good business then leave it as it is.

I don't drink or smoke but I don't say nobody should be allowed to drink or smoke or that the amounts people an buy should be limited... It's their money and pleasure, their business. Same with the lottery and if people don't agree with the jackpots then nobody is making them play.

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LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 13:42

InterIgnis · 24/02/2024 13:27

But who cares? If someone wants to comment on their own situation then let them get on and do that, they don’t need to qualify it to appease someone with a different perspective. What is unreasonable is making someone else’s comment about themselves, about you. You’re never going to be the main character in the lives of complete strangers who are absolutely entitled to their own opinions.

It's because they are saying it on a thread where a poster is mentioning her resentment at being the only one of her peers not getting an inheritance. So a poster coming on to say she got 1 and it's no better and to stop complaining is somewhat hypocritical and obnoxious. If it wasn't any good to her then give her house she got with the inheritance to the dogs home.

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InterIgnis · 24/02/2024 13:45

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 13:42

It's because they are saying it on a thread where a poster is mentioning her resentment at being the only one of her peers not getting an inheritance. So a poster coming on to say she got 1 and it's no better and to stop complaining is somewhat hypocritical and obnoxious. If it wasn't any good to her then give her house she got with the inheritance to the dogs home.

So? She didn’t come into that posters thread, did she? She volunteered her experience, same as other posters. There’s no requirement that those experiences be the same, or that feelings towards them should be. The poster that wants an inheritance doesn’t ’own the room’, and isn’t more entitled to an opinion than anyone else.

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 13:47

InterIgnis · 24/02/2024 13:45

So? She didn’t come into that posters thread, did she? She volunteered her experience, same as other posters. There’s no requirement that those experiences be the same, or that feelings towards them should be. The poster that wants an inheritance doesn’t ’own the room’, and isn’t more entitled to an opinion than anyone else.

ok then answer my question if her 'experience' is genuine and the house means nothing then why doesn't she donate it to charity??

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InterIgnis · 24/02/2024 13:49

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 13:47

ok then answer my question if her 'experience' is genuine and the house means nothing then why doesn't she donate it to charity??

How would I know?

That said, she doesn’t need to prove her opinion to your satisfaction. If you don’t like it/don’t believe it then fine, you don’t need to 🤷🏻‍♀️

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 13:50

meowie · 24/02/2024 12:49

Come on guys, don't gang up on the OP! It's an interesting discussion!

thanks but most threads on mn end up this way and people who are ganging up against me are pretty much proving what I said in the op. 1 is saying that poor people are happy as everybody around them is poor so they know no better, the other poster is supporting a poster who said the inheritance she got that entitled her to buy a house meant nothing is a justified comment.

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LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 13:51

InterIgnis · 24/02/2024 13:49

How would I know?

That said, she doesn’t need to prove her opinion to your satisfaction. If you don’t like it/don’t believe it then fine, you don’t need to 🤷🏻‍♀️

Then why are you supporting her and defending her? You can't answer the question because you know I'm right and she's being an ungrateful madame.

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InterIgnis · 24/02/2024 13:54

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 13:51

Then why are you supporting her and defending her? You can't answer the question because you know I'm right and she's being an ungrateful madame.

Because she has a right to her own opinion, and to express it.

I don’t have an opinion on whether she’s ungrateful or not, and even if I did it would be entirely irrelevant tbh. Her thoughts about her own life matter, mine doesn’t any more than yours does. She doesn’t need to prove or justify it to anyone, given that people aren’t entitled to opinions only if agree with them. If you don’t then it’s on you to suck it up, not demand silence.

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 13:58

InterIgnis · 24/02/2024 13:54

Because she has a right to her own opinion, and to express it.

I don’t have an opinion on whether she’s ungrateful or not, and even if I did it would be entirely irrelevant tbh. Her thoughts about her own life matter, mine doesn’t any more than yours does. She doesn’t need to prove or justify it to anyone, given that people aren’t entitled to opinions only if agree with them. If you don’t then it’s on you to suck it up, not demand silence.

ok then so you see nothing wrong with somebody getting a free house saying it means nothing and gave her no advantage? You are seriously telling me you have ''no opinion'' on such a statement?

would you be ok if a man said women shouldn't work and stay at home with the kids? or would you have no opinion in this too as he has the right to say it?

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InterIgnis · 24/02/2024 14:02

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 13:58

ok then so you see nothing wrong with somebody getting a free house saying it means nothing and gave her no advantage? You are seriously telling me you have ''no opinion'' on such a statement?

would you be ok if a man said women shouldn't work and stay at home with the kids? or would you have no opinion in this too as he has the right to say it?

No, I genuinely do not give a fuck. Why would I? What someone else thinks about their own life has zero impact on mine, and my own life is what I care to focus on. I’m not sat here worried and/or butthurt about what someone else thinks about theirs.

And the same applies there, yes. I don’t have to personally approve every opinion in order for it to be voiced.

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 14:04

InterIgnis · 24/02/2024 14:02

No, I genuinely do not give a fuck. Why would I? What someone else thinks about their own life has zero impact on mine, and my own life is what I care to focus on. I’m not sat here worried and/or butthurt about what someone else thinks about theirs.

And the same applies there, yes. I don’t have to personally approve every opinion in order for it to be voiced.

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if you 'do not give a fuck What someone else thinks ' then why are you sat here arguing?

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InterIgnis · 24/02/2024 14:05

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 14:04

if you 'do not give a fuck What someone else thinks ' then why are you sat here arguing?

Because it’s interesting to me. Not caring whether you agree or disagree with me doesn’t mean that I don’t consider the subject itself to be worthy of consideration.

user1471538283 · 24/02/2024 14:09

Everything is better with money. Even a huge amount like the lottery win doesn't have to ruin you. You could give most of it to charity.

I know from my experience that much of my limited choices were driven by not having money. I stayed in relationships, jobs and situations because I didn't have money and it has scarred me. Things were very hard for a long time and it grinds you down.

People with money (even those with a bit more than you) do not get it. I used to get upset sometimes being a single parent living paycheck to paycheck and people thought I was feeling sorry for myself or thought they had ideas I didn't already think of. I was also once told to get a second job (on top of raising my DS alone, working full time, studying part time). If access to enough money was cured by working hard most of us would be wealthy.

Kwasi · 24/02/2024 14:24

I just want to win enough for a 2-bed house. I am in a very unhappy marriage but can’t afford to leave. I have too much in joint savings to qualify for UC but don’t earn enough to rent privately in my area. My sister doesn’t understand why I don’t just leave; she lives in a much cheaper area and earns 3 times what I do.

LindaHamilton · 24/02/2024 14:29

Kwasi · 24/02/2024 14:24

I just want to win enough for a 2-bed house. I am in a very unhappy marriage but can’t afford to leave. I have too much in joint savings to qualify for UC but don’t earn enough to rent privately in my area. My sister doesn’t understand why I don’t just leave; she lives in a much cheaper area and earns 3 times what I do.

Wouldn't many of us, but you still wouldn't turn down 61 million...

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