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To be sick of the police!!

416 replies

Noangelbuthavingfun · 22/02/2024 18:39

Yet another one .... rapist ..before He even joined the force. WTAF is going on ?
You can't trust the very people that you are supposed to ! Add to that the failings of the police "force" dealing with Grace and Barnaby case recently and the awful disrespectful texts that we heard about .... and you just think what de hell is going on !! Unforgivable!

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Ialwaystry · 01/03/2024 10:16

I was a PC for 8.5 yrs (different force to where I live now).
I loved the job and yes we were pushed, time wise and assaulted and abused.
I joined to make a difference.

I also now have no trust in the police.
My daughter was badly assaulted and the PC wouldn't take any details because quote " They no longer criminalise young people "
I also was threatened to be killed and my house burned down. I had to move out for 3 days as i was frightened.
It took 3 days for the police to come out and after 3 mths of them not even securing cctv or arresting the person I asked them to drop it *they were more than happy to do that!
I have more but I have made official complaints, so won't out me any further

But yes, I have zero trust in a profession I used to be proud to belong too.

RosieTheChi · 01/03/2024 10:45

Ialwaystry · 01/03/2024 10:16

I was a PC for 8.5 yrs (different force to where I live now).
I loved the job and yes we were pushed, time wise and assaulted and abused.
I joined to make a difference.

I also now have no trust in the police.
My daughter was badly assaulted and the PC wouldn't take any details because quote " They no longer criminalise young people "
I also was threatened to be killed and my house burned down. I had to move out for 3 days as i was frightened.
It took 3 days for the police to come out and after 3 mths of them not even securing cctv or arresting the person I asked them to drop it *they were more than happy to do that!
I have more but I have made official complaints, so won't out me any further

But yes, I have zero trust in a profession I used to be proud to belong too.

I am so sorry to hear you have been through similar and quite an interesting perspective since you used to be a PC.

That is the EXACT same line they used regarding the children that hurt my daughter (although not children to me at 15/16 really). What about the lives they ruin though? My daughter has been permanently damaged but not criminalising youngsters seems to be more important than the victim. It's attitudes like that what needs to stop.

Namechange1253467 · 01/03/2024 11:56

Hearing this from an ex PC is depressing.

Past couple of months I've lost faith that the UK Justice System actually brings criminal to justice.

Ialwaystry · 01/03/2024 14:53

It's laziness

I get they are massively pushed for time ( I was always chasing my tail).
When I was a PC it was exciting. We loved to chase ,catch, arrest and prosecute the bad ones.
Now it's just trying their best to get out of taking any jobs on. The pcs I knew who are still in say its not a good job anymore. More have left in the last few years.
I'm glad I left when did because I'm now ashamed to have worn that uniform!

RosieTheChi · 01/03/2024 15:26

Ialwaystry · 01/03/2024 14:53

It's laziness

I get they are massively pushed for time ( I was always chasing my tail).
When I was a PC it was exciting. We loved to chase ,catch, arrest and prosecute the bad ones.
Now it's just trying their best to get out of taking any jobs on. The pcs I knew who are still in say its not a good job anymore. More have left in the last few years.
I'm glad I left when did because I'm now ashamed to have worn that uniform!

Are PCs encouraged to not report crimes? I'm just trying to figure out in my mind why they are like they are.

Ialwaystry · 01/03/2024 17:11

Are PCs encouraged to not report crimes? I'm just trying to figure out in my mind why they are like they are.

I really really don't know.
I also once reported someone for harassment and heard nothing form the PC again.
When I requested the data, the PC had closed the crime, due to ,,'victim' not prepared to help' or words to that effect.

In the police force the term used is called 'cuffing' the crime. Basically lying to get out of investigating, covering it up.
Sadly

DriftingDora · 01/03/2024 21:14

RosieTheChi · 01/03/2024 15:26

Are PCs encouraged to not report crimes? I'm just trying to figure out in my mind why they are like they are.

So the fact that they are supposed to be THE law and order is pretty much a joke, isn't it? So much easier to shelve the crime rather than investigate, it would seem.

Iwasafool · 01/03/2024 23:03

Ialwaystry · 01/03/2024 14:53

It's laziness

I get they are massively pushed for time ( I was always chasing my tail).
When I was a PC it was exciting. We loved to chase ,catch, arrest and prosecute the bad ones.
Now it's just trying their best to get out of taking any jobs on. The pcs I knew who are still in say its not a good job anymore. More have left in the last few years.
I'm glad I left when did because I'm now ashamed to have worn that uniform!

There were always lazy officers and hard working officers. It isn't anything new. I worked with many different types of police officers, hard working, lazy, kind, nasty, smart, bit dim, homophobic/racist/sexist and also the most tolerant and decent people you could find. I worked with one who became a Chief Constable and 2 who went to prison. They vary as much as any other group in society.

Ialwaystry · 02/03/2024 00:05

I was a fool
I agree 100%
My ex is the only one out of my cohort still in and he's the most bent!

DontLeanOnTheKeyboard · 02/03/2024 00:26

There is a massive culture to move up and get promoted. It’s rabid. Therefore they work on an ‘hide the bad, do a fancy dance to the bosses’. Portfolio moments, to show off their best side. There’s little accountability for mistakes, if spotted, half don’t know and the other half don’t care. At no point of the promotion process is there an authentic ‘best for the job’ it’s all competency frameworks and making a story hit the buzzwords. Anyone currently at the top has got there via this system and they hide their own fuck ups very carefully. You can report all you like to PSD but as well as them being completely snowed, the police are tied in knots by the Fed using technicalities to ensure the issue is buried.

The high profile ones who have been in the news do make most of them sick, but the bar is low as far as other stuff that hasn’t hit the headlines (yet).

increased vetting won’t achieve anything - if they’ve not previously been picked up/caught for anything there won’t be a record for PSD to find.

Pinkfrlls · 02/03/2024 03:16

The most aggressive and unpleasant police officer I have ever dealt with was a female officer. Even hardened criminal lawyers found her deeply unpleasant. So I don't think female officers are any guarantee of a better quality police force. Mind you it's a dangerous job and I don't think I could do it.

DriftingDora · 02/03/2024 11:32

DontLeanOnTheKeyboard · 02/03/2024 00:26

There is a massive culture to move up and get promoted. It’s rabid. Therefore they work on an ‘hide the bad, do a fancy dance to the bosses’. Portfolio moments, to show off their best side. There’s little accountability for mistakes, if spotted, half don’t know and the other half don’t care. At no point of the promotion process is there an authentic ‘best for the job’ it’s all competency frameworks and making a story hit the buzzwords. Anyone currently at the top has got there via this system and they hide their own fuck ups very carefully. You can report all you like to PSD but as well as them being completely snowed, the police are tied in knots by the Fed using technicalities to ensure the issue is buried.

The high profile ones who have been in the news do make most of them sick, but the bar is low as far as other stuff that hasn’t hit the headlines (yet).

increased vetting won’t achieve anything - if they’ve not previously been picked up/caught for anything there won’t be a record for PSD to find.

increased vetting won’t achieve anything - if they’ve not previously been picked up/caught for anything there won’t be a record for PSD to find.

I get what you're saying about those who haven't been caught/hidden their tracks slipping through the net, but surely increased vetting should be a given? It would at least weed out the ones who have something in their past and would (hopefully) deter some others from applying in the first place. Things are so bad now, and the standards of many police officers is so poor that anything would be an improvement. But I don't think there's any real will (politically or from within the police top brass themselves) to address the issues, so I doubt it'll happen.

Mabelface · 02/03/2024 12:44

My opinion is that the majority of police do a very difficult job, with a reduced workforce, and have to take on issues that shouldn't be a police matter. There should be a dedicated mental health emergency team in each area.

Make it easier for police whistleblowers. Let them call out their colleagues who are not behaving as they should without fear of being labelled a grass.

Better inclusion and diversity training, refreshed yearly to try to weed out conscious and unconscious bias. Swiftly deal with those who fail to take the training on board. The same with domestic violence.

We need more community police who can engage with their local area. Have visibility, take people's concerns seriously.

I have empathy for those officers who go to work to try and make a difference, but are let down by those bad apples.

Ultimately, it's up to the police to rebuild trust by their actions. Awareness in the media is a good thing. Without it, it stays hidden.

Lordofmyflies · 02/03/2024 14:07

I don't trust the Police and certainly wouldn't stop if asked to by them unless in a very public place with surveillance.
There is no police presence locally, no community officers.
Of the two male police officers that I do know through school / social acquaintances, one is having an affair and a total sleeze and the other misogynistic. Just confirms my beliefs.

DontLeanOnTheKeyboard · 02/03/2024 17:46

@DriftingDora the vetting is there, trust me. In fact everyone in the police, certainly UK has recently been re-vetted, and previous misdemeanours reviewed. Some officers have been thrown out through this.

There’s a couple of things to consider: sexual offences, domestic abuse and paedophiles are all around us, invisible, in the public population. It takes an average of 37 incidents before someone reports domestic abuse. There will be more who never report, so we don’t know. The paedophile will be your child’s dad, or clarinet teacher, or football coach, not the weird old man dressing as a woman. These crimes are SO PROLIFIC in the general population, and those who are caught, and get a record are the tip of the iceberg. The police are the people - some of those from the public go on to join the police. Vetting won’t spot it because there’s no record. Some of them will stay out of the police but in other spheres giving them access to children, but vetting won’t spot it, because there’s no record. DBS just says ‘not been caught’. So, that’s your first issue - the predator remains at large until he’s caught.

The second issue is where the real problems start. There’s a very tight knit culture, and part of that is stand up for your mate, no matter what. How they continue that when child molesters and murderers are found amongst them is beyond me, but it’s a fact. It’s closed shop and there’s a LOT of incompetence covered up, a lot. Investigations cuffed, illegal searches, putting each other at risk. Training doesn’t resolve it, most of the time the trainers are fellow cops ‘right, let’s get this shit out of the way’ or ex cops. Government cuts have meant cuts to training budgets, so even with a decent and engaged trainer, they can’t afford to have the off the street for what is really needed, but tell trainers to reduce time spent on subjects.

Day to day the Home Office and College of Policing send out new guidance, changes, revisions of codes of practice etc etc. It’s impossible to keep on top of everything. Demand grows and grows and grows, the public expect the police to be social workers, youth workers, mental health specialists, paramedics, punchbags and counsellors. This does not excuse the culture or the lack of weeding out ALL the bad. The toxic culture has grown unchecked by creating the perfect environment. Supervisors are often ‘acting up’ - this means another PC (who’s been allowed to take the Sgts exam without any consideration for suitability as a supervisor) with no more training and usually little more experience than the ones they’re in charge of. In 2010 Theresa May firmly aimed Austerity at the police, and over 20000 left. Now they have more leaving than they recruit. Boris’ ‘20,000 more police officers’ (ok, 20,000 to replace the ones we got rid of) had to be recruited and trained in an unrealistic time period that led to a horrific recruitment campaign, and standards plummeted. If even 1 of the ones recruited under this initiative from Boris fails, the force loses ALL the funding. Against the background of this, the government and College of policing have seen fit to introduce no fewer than 6 different entry routes. They have not, however, provided the structure and guidance to implement them, and the government hasn’t provided any further funding to support these routes. Many of them curtail time spent learning basic policing. Direct entry detectives are often barely more than kids, and are shoved into domestic abuse or sexual offence teams which are difficult to recruit to because of the relentless volume of jobs and no time given to investigate them properly. That DC who didn’t investigate the incident with Couzens at a MacDonalds? I would put my money on her just not having the time.

so, in this environment, tiny misbehaviours fester, grow and become more extreme. Supervisors don’t have the skills, experience or ability to deal with such things, and don’t feel supported from above. Depending on who you are and who you report, things are just ‘disappeared’. Team dynamics are massive - if your Sgt or Inspector are badduns, then either put up or move. Any training to attempt to change the culture isn’t attended by the Exec, and they do nothing to stop it just being sheep-dip lip service. Officers cheat and copy to complete qualifications and nothing is done when it’s found out.

Anyone decent is leaving, a bit like the NHS and teaching.

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