To be sick of the police!!

[Noangelbuthavingfun]

Yet another one .... rapist ..before He even joined the force. WTAF is going on ?
You can't trust the very people that you are supposed to ! Add to that the failings of the police "force" dealing with Grace and Barnaby case recently and the awful disrespectful texts that we heard about .... and you just think what de hell is going on !! Unforgivable!

I'm kotnusing my works mobile outside of working hours ! Ffs !

@damnedwhatever What about when an officer is attending a victims home to sign forms etc?

I've got an officers phone number when I was the victim of a crime. They phoned me from it too.

To sign what forms ?

If I'm taking a statement I wouldn't necessarily turn the camera on .

Although after reading this maybe I would .

They certainly should be ☺️ mine is on for every incident I attend and then docked to upload at the end of my shift.
They are actually monitored remotely so you are questioned if it's noticed yours is not.
There have been a few occasions I have genuinely forgotten and then documented it in my PNB and drawn on my colleagues who did have theirs on, after all, I am human!

@damnedwhatever we had to sign some forms to do with a community protection notice against some youths for ASB and harassment.

The animals I've taken have been surrendered not from detainees! I attended a job where the kittens were dying - and they couldn't afford a vet ! So I took them and took them to a vet !

You are sounding slightly bonkers .

I put it on regardless of what I go to, always better to be safe than sorry.

And yes, I have a work phone. I give out the number too.
It gets turned off when I am off shift and turned on when I am back in.
If someone texts it, I will call them when I get the text.

"I care so much about people. I've taken bloody dogs home and boxes of kittens"

That's not what you said. Animals would have to go to a vet or the RSPCA or dog warden.
So did you take them home? Or to a vet?

And you can make derogatory comments about me as much as you like, but your policing is very sieve like. Just pointing out what you yourself have said 🤷🏼‍♀️

I am hardly sticking the knife in on each thread you post, as I said I purposely swerve threads you start and don't post. I think I've posted in relation to you specifically in your FWR are mean thread, the Russell Brand thread and here.

We have posted back and forth in a couple of other threads (maybe just one?) about the police in FWR before, but those were threads we were both contributing to separately anyway.

You've definitely offered to use your work computer to help people with their issues if they PM'd you.

I didn't say you'd broken professional standards, I'm not in the police so wouldn't know what the rules around professional standards would even be.
What I said was I don't think you have healthy boundaries, in addition to some other things I've seen from you here over time that would concern me coming from anyone in a position of authority such as the police hold.

I don't think you are a predator, I just think again the boundaries are an issue. I worry you would get enmeshed, and although I do think your heart is mostly in the right place, I also think you have a need to be well thought of and sometimes that can make people do things they shouldn't, as well as not be as honest as they could be.

I'm not going to argue with you about the drinking, but your posting late at night does come across as inebriated. I'm not the first person to have mentioned it to you. If you do have an alcohol issue I sincerely hope you get some help - in as kind a way as that can be taken, I'm not being sneery.

You very clearly did mean to be rude to me. Did you ever go back and read what you wrote to me in those posts? You were very belittling and mocking of me, it was totally out of the blue and quite mean spirited. We had never actually crossed posting paths before that, although I had read a number of your posts before and not realised at first that you were the same poster.

You did apologise yes... sort of... reluctantly... after I found your second thread about FWR all being meanies and mocking me again. It was just in a chance late night browse in the Feminist Chat board when I came across it. When I found it and posted you were pretty rude to me again before, as I say reluctantly, apologising - I think you actually only apologised after someone else posted to say they remembered the CF thread and your posts had been very uncalled for to me.

You swing wildly between seeming to understand and agree with some of us on a lot of things the police are doing wrong or could do better, and sometimes you say that you've seen some really not great stuff from your colleagues; to berating us for not seeing how difficult a job you've got, and saying you've never seen any of the bad stuff and that we basically hate the police.
(I would actually say that low level incompetence and laziness qualifies as bad stuff too FWIW.)

And it cycles through these two options. I find the times you are acting understanding and agreeing to be disingenuous and actually a bit irritating because you usually swiftly go back to the "you all hate the police" frame of mind and all the progress you've seemingly made towards understanding goes totally out of the window. That's quite frustrating to see.

I also find the tone of some of the things you said in relation to women victims while on the RB thread disturbing - although I honestly couldn't quote you here, it was something to do with a victim of DA if memory serves.

On that thread too you said you'd not advise a woman to report a rape. I have an issue with that as I said at the time because as you are speaking as a woman and from a position of ostensible authority, how many women would have read those words, coming from a police woman no less, and gone on to not report a rape?
We don't need less reporting, we need better convictions - and I am not laying that responsibility at the police's doorstep alone.

Oh and there was the advice you gave someone on their thread to send a male teenager a retaliatory dick pic from off of the internet - which you later said was just a joke in a different thread to the one you gave that advice. It did not at all come across as in a joking tone to the people who read it, they told you so. I didn't post in that thread btw but I did read it.
Again not advise I'd want to hear coming from a police officer.

It's hard to talk to you about police stuff because of your attitude.

I am not saying anything pleasant to take in, you can discount me as a horrible person if you like and I really don't want to upset you but I am allowed my opinion on police conduct as a civil service, and although some may think it mean of me to say, I'm not sure I'd be confident in you as a police officer because of your posting history - which again is really hard not to notice because of your distinctive posting style.

Unless you quote me I'll be stepping away now.

Sorry @Noangelbuthavingfun for derailing your thread.

The public should hold us to higher standards than most, because of the nature of the job we do. And we should act accordingly.
Sadly, as in any work place there are bad apples, but the police are held publicly accountable for ours (as we should be) vs Dave from accounts who's a drink driver for example.

I, and my colleagues work hard. We wear our uniform with pride and we do our utmost to serve the public. It pains me the press we get, it genuinely upsets me, because that isn't "the police" it's shit humans. But as above, it's always going to be highlighted.

For every one of my colleagues in the press for awful crimes, there are hundreds of us going home covered in cuts, bruises and broken bones after working a relentless 12 hour shift, probably the 5th one we have done that week with more to go.

One fix I would introduce is to show the public more of our body worn video so you can see what we do and also explain some of the reasons why. We don't explain enough in the police, we expect you to know that the reason there are 6 of us on one person is because that dramatically reduces injury to the detainee who is resisting and prevents them from being injured. It's not because we want to be mob handed.
That the "kid" you perceive to being brutally arrested by many officers last week had a zombie knife in his waist band and we need to make sure if he has a weapon he doesn't stab one of us with it.

So much could be done with the public to change the perception.

I'm sorry anyone distrusts us. I genuinely am. We do this job not for the money that's for sure, but we do it because we care and want to make a difference.

In at least one old thread started by another poster.

Right, I am actually stepping away now.

Stop. Please everyone just stop. On my shift today I cut down a man who'd hung himself on his kids swings. My CPR did nothing.
I don't want to work with the bad apples anymore than any of my amazing, brave colleagues want to. Get him out.
I won't be reading or replying to any messages on this thread, I'm going to sleep, ready to do it all again at 5am on a Sunday.
But please stop.

Hat

You are wrong . I have never ever used my work laptop for anything other than work . I'd happily surrender it to psd for analysis because yku drew that conclusion- and you are wrong.

How stupid do you think I am ? I would never and have never used a work device for personal use.

I have my phone and an iPad for personal use. My work equipment is kept absolutely separate.

❤️ bless you . I'm sorry . I hope you get a debrief. Take care x

Oh good grief 😳. That's horrific.

I'd like to apologise to you. You are absolutely right.

I wondered, so I had a quick search of your old user name with the key word 'laptop' and I can see now that you've offered to "fire up your laptop for PMs", but I can't see where you ever said it was your work laptop.

I am genuinely sorry for getting that totally and completely wrong.

I think the confusion came about because you have been very upfront in a lot of those threads looking for advice about being a police officer and either offering or agreeing to advice via PM to people. I think my brain supplied a connection that wasn't actually there - give advice + laptop = work laptop. I am sorry about that!

At the risk of taking away from the apology somewhat, I do still think it's inappropriate of you to be offering advice via PM after telling people you are a police officer. Both for the other reasons I've outlined in my other posts, as well as the professional boundary iffy-ness that could come from it.

Hat

Thank you. I am really upfront about my job because when I first started posting years and years ago the climate here was different.

Thank you for your apology, that's really gracious of you and I appreciate it.

I don't give advice anymore for the record . I wouldn't do that now . I did used to sit up all night with people who'd posted that they'd just had their oh arrested or whatever- I don't do that now either .

Thank you x

I appreciate you accepting my apology after all I've said, I appreciate that it can't be pleasant to read my posts to you sometimes.

Even with all I've said upthread, I genuinely don't mean you any personal harm or offense, although I can appreciate why anyone I'd said those things to would be offended.

I really am kicking myself for getting that about the work laptop so very wrong, I am actually really sorry about that, it was a complete misunderstanding on my part entirely. @RosieTheChi and others here will hopefully read my retraction too, I'd hate to leave posters with misinformation about it.

I think that's a good idea not to give advice over PMs anymore. I think it's probably the safest option for you in the long run not only for professional standards reasons, but for your own mental wellbeing too - It can take it out of you being that kind of support for people.

I don't think anyone would have reason to complain if you wanted to signpost advice seekers to the relevant services within their threads where appropriate, that would be a lovely thing to do if you have the means at your disposal.

As a final thought, I would like to thank all those in the police force who are trying to hold to the standards those on this thread expect, we do know you have an incredibly hard job to do, as some of you have outlined here. For all of those of you who have reacted badly to this thread however, please remember people have valid reasons for complaint, and they have valid cause for concern about police conduct on a systemic scale.

Don't get angry at the people who see the issues, get angry that the issues do sadly exist. It really isn't a personal indictment to any one of you to point them out, what it should do (ideally) is give you a look into how the public sees the police as a whole and realise that maybe it would be a good idea to genuinely listen, take on board the complaints, and try (as a whole service) to fix those issues.

I am going to go away for good now, I promise ha ha!

I feel so scared that I might one day in a position where my young daughter or I might need the police's help but i would potentially be putting ourselves in even more danger than I was originally in....

I now think about ways of protecting ourselves without depending on the police I.e carrying pepper spray or similar, nail file

Hat

I really appreciate what you've said and it's food for thought without a doubt.

I'm so sorry so many people feel so let down .

It's definitely an issue that need to be addressed by all forces .

I can't thank you enough for being so honest and gracious in what you said . I'm really not an uncaring person- I care . I care how we are thought of as a big homogeneous group of people. I know there's loads of work to do to regain public trust . That's not lost on me .

But you've been lovely and I thank you sincerely. We got off on the wrong foot and that's my fault . I'm sorry for that .

X

How ridiculous! And besides, what are you going to do with an emery board? Scratch someone with it?

Not the emery board kind of nail file. The old fashioned metal kind. Because that's the closest to a knife you're legally allowed to carry.

I genuinely advise not doing this - for one most weapons carried end up being used on the carrier .

Do you genuinely think if you ever need police in an emergency you're going to get people who put you in danger ?

Would you go to the doctors if Ill? What about Harold shipman ?

Would you stay in hospital if needed ? What about nurses who have been convicted of murder ?

The chances of
Yku getting some killer rapist cop if ringing 999 is as negligible as finding Harold shipman is your gp.

I get there is public distrust but this is a bit silly . You think you're going to defend yourself with a nail file ? Please don't be silly .

You can "bash" teachers? Who's saying you can't?