To be sick of the police!!

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Yet another one .... rapist ..before He even joined the force. WTAF is going on ?
You can't trust the very people that you are supposed to ! Add to that the failings of the police "force" dealing with Grace and Barnaby case recently and the awful disrespectful texts that we heard about .... and you just think what de hell is going on !! Unforgivable!

I for the most part trust the police. I feel they and the CPS have been hurt a lot by funding cuts.

I fully agree with you 100%! Sadly it's not just a modern thing. I can't remember the exact details and it would take me hours to find info on Google but apparently Dennis Nilsen was allowed to join the police even though they KNEW he had a reputation for being dangerous!

Thank you, officer. 😂

Well he was only a police officer for a few months, so never got beyond being a probationary constable. Maybe they messed up recruiting him but he didn't last long and didn't get beyond his probationary period so something must have worked.

I don't know about him having a reputation for being dangerous, I've always read he was quiet and reserved and self conscious about being homosexual.

Before anyone wonders I reported my own post above as I felt it would derail things further :) on the whole this thread has been so interesting to read and given food for thought. If anyone was wondering whether any police on here was listening to them and their views I promise I will and I'll be even more mindful of the fears women have especially when going about my role.

Deletion of the post and the subsequent climb down rather proves some of the points that have been made, doesn't it?

No it doesn't. You're just trying to be goady now.

What is your problem lol? I haven't climbed down at all if you read my.posts I'm so proud of what I do. You have been on this thread constantly being nasty. You're not going to make me give up my career or stop loving it sorry😂

Thank you haha, I feel like Dora is just a troll now😂

They've had to lower their standards in order to increase recruitment. I can understand why there is a shortage of people wanting to be in the police, who would want to have to deal with the dregs of society day in, day out? The problem is they've lowered the standards so much that they'll now accept anyone.

Haha I think you're right! I was getting angry but their posts are getting more and more ridiculous that they can't be serious.

And now another one has joined.

Same😂someone who is very jealous of police.

Do you really think you are helping public perception with these comments recent posters who claim to be police?

If your answer is yes, well, like someone said earlier there is apparently no helping you.

Personally I think you are just compounding our distrust with your attitudes.

Absolutely! 🙃

Years ago when I was in an abusive relationship he was arrested on a repeated occasion for beating me, attempting to rape me and stealing an expensive item from my flat. The police who attended told me if I didn’t press charges he would almost certainly kill me before too long…next Day released without charge

complained to our local police station and the most senior officer (speaking to my mum as I was pretty much too shell shocked/traumatised to say a word) says - oh she may have hit herself in the face, she may have ripped her own clothes, she may have thrown her own possessions.

GAME OVER. Will never ever trust the police ever again despite how much I may ever need them

I have to agree with this to a point. It will take an awful lot for me to have any faith in my local police force again.

And I find that really sad! If I were in the police or its related fields I would be really concerned at the level of public distrust, and absolutely horrified at the corruption that caused it.

I am actually very pro-police, without them there'd be chaos and violence and as a woman I'd be a massive target for a lot of it.

Saying that though, I wouldn't call the police these days unless it was life or death. For everything else, I'm not sure I'd be at all confident in either the process or outcome, dependant on which officers attended, because all though I know there are good ones, who's to say those are the ones that show up? It could be the incompetent, biased, lazy, or violent ones.

It's a gamble and it shouldn't be.

From the self-styled police here on this thread where is the anger directed at failings within the system, the corruption that has been uncovered, the criminals in the ranks? I have seen any of it, it's all directed at the public who see there are problems and are rightly scared.

What attitudes are you referring to please? People who are police have every right to defend themselves or engage in a thread that directly refers to them. The perspective will be so different and they are allowed to be as frustrated about the ignorance to what policing actually entails as posters are frustrated about their perception of the police. I think as long as all comments are respectful it's bound to happen on a forum made for discussion. Think of the hardest thing you do day in day out and imagine a group of strangers starting a conversation where their starting point is hating you and ( as I was previously in the thread ) calling you / your colleagues the absolute worst insults they can and comparing you to the dregs of society when you put people like that in prison and know full well how naty they are. Of course police will respond and when you have posters on the thread accusing police of thinking they know best but only responding with sarcastic one liners and presenting the very behaviours they claim to reference in their hatred for you. Please, if you want to learn to trust the police engage with them! See what it's like from the inside, meet the thousands of people who are a part of it then decide.

Ok but no one is singling you or any of the other officers out. It's about the police officers who commit crimes in the OP.

Why do you feel defensive about that?

Absolutely you are allowed to be angry and frustrated, but why is it not directed where it should be - towards the members of the police like in the article from the OP, or WC, or any of the corruption that has been exposed etc?

Why do you think this is the right thread to get defensive about yourself or NAPALT?

It's not about you (except where your attitude to the issues at hand are letting you down), it's not about the good police officers.

It's about the public perception of police being driven into the ground because of the bad officers. Be understanding of the public anger (you don't need to accept being personally assaulted of course), and turn your anger in the direction it needs to be facing.

Is there departmental talking therapies you can access? That would be a good place to discuss your frustrations and be heard in a non-judgemental space, where you could work through it without turning it towards the righteously angry public in public (this thread).

Please, if you want to learn to trust the police engage with them!
It is not up to the disenfranchised public to take the first steps towards bridging the gap. It is the police's job to do that. In the process of that you have to accept that you will hear things you don't want to hear, and some people will name call. It comes down to what you think is really important, don't you have to learn how to pick your battles in any part of life - do they not give you de-escalation training anymore?

I take your points, if this conversation were real life I think it would be far easier to find a resolution but online it's really hard. I mentioned engaging with police because I have seen first hand how beneficial it is and how the massive assumptions people make are completely changed. I do agree though re bridging the gap, I just don't think people realise that the reason police are so unable to present in a familiar and approachable way to them is because we are as scared of you as you claim to be of us.

" ...because we are as scared of you as you claim to be of us."
But again (sorry for sounding unfeeling, I do understand), that's kind of on the police to get over that hump.

The public are afraid of inaction, corruption or at worst violence from those that should be duty bound, not to say decent enough, to be the opposite of that.

There are valid reasons for this because as we have seen, more officers have been shown to be corrupt or violent.

From your side you face all that the criminal element can throw at you whilst dealing with the vocal dissatisfaction being voiced by the non-criminal Joe and Jane public. Sometimes you are attacked and that is unacceptable and should be dealt with within the law.

However the difference is that you have a national organisation behind you, you are better equipped than the unhappy public (note not talking about the criminals here), have access to back up, and have the law on your side.

The balance of power swings heavily in your direction. The public have been, and are continuing to be failed until things within the system are fixed, so the anger will continue. So the metaphorical ball is and should be in your court. You are in a good position to help make the change for the better, but you need to take a step back, not take it so personally, and accept that there is value in what the public is saying - you (royal you) need to stop discounting things because they are couched in angry words.

People have a right to be angry.

Also, I could meet 10, 100, 1,000 or 10's of thousands of decent non-violent police officers I'm sure. That does not mean that there aren't a number of not decent, or at worst violent ones out there hiding or known within their station as "the rapist" or whatever.

They can both exist in the world at once. All the good ones in the world don't magically cancel out the existing bad ones, even if there are more good than bad.

I don't think it does, I completely completely get what you're saying but I feel the power swings way more in the publics favour. I have no idea who or where I'm going to when I leave the office, but I have to go. At best it's someone who just holds.police in contempt and wants to complain no matter what we say or do and bring that stress upon us, at worst we could not go home to our families at the end of a shift. When I see how much the public hate us on threads like these it makes me realise even the women I go to see and think I have positive interactions with couldn't care less about me and infact would probably like to see me and my colleagues suffer in some capacity. I can't imagine hating someone so much because of their job and I feel the media references are just an excuse for a lot of people.