To be sick of the police!!

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Yet another one .... rapist ..before He even joined the force. WTAF is going on ?
You can't trust the very people that you are supposed to ! Add to that the failings of the police "force" dealing with Grace and Barnaby case recently and the awful disrespectful texts that we heard about .... and you just think what de hell is going on !! Unforgivable!

Yeah I think teachers get it as bad as cops on here !

I'm aware I'm making myself an unintentional liar twice in two days by coming back, but @damnedwhatever I hope you don't mind my saying that your reply to the anxious poster would have been a really good opportunity to try some of the things I had suggested to you yesterday.

The poster isn't silly to be afraid, or to want to be able to defend herself, but you've already framed her in your mind as being ridiculous. That's a really unhelpful perspective for a police officer to start from don't you think?

You could try to understand where the fear is coming from and start from the perspective that it is valid. Then you could realise that there are times other than an emergency that the poster might not contact the police because of that fear.

You could have tried to dispel some of the fear with something like a previous poster mentioned about explaining procedure. Maybe having more information would help reduce some of the fear, I think it would for me at least a little anyway.

Maybe you could help reassure instead of just tell her she's being silly.

I agree about weapons being used against the carrier, but again maybe you could have signposted to any resources you might have on self defence classes for women or something?

You could use these posts as an opportunity to learn and be a constructive force for the public view of the police, but only if you really listen to the posters and without starting from the "you're being silly" perspective.

I'd happily explain procedure .

If the poster wants to know anything please ask and I'll explain it to the best of my ability.

Ok. It might not actually be what that poster needs, it was just one suggestion I had made for practical things you could do to help when faced with people who have fears about the police. Is that really all you took from that?

I think you've entirely missed the point I was making.

Your attitude is part of the problem.

You began from the perspective that the poster was Wrong, then were dismissive and a little aggressive in your response to her.

Who benefits from responses like that? How does it help public perception of the police? Does it help build trust?

(Spoiler: No one. It doesn't. It does the opposite.)

The attitude of most (not all) of the police officers on here has reinforced the conclusion that they are part of the problem. Reading them over, you can well see how and why the public have lost respect for them - with their "we know best, so do what we say, shut up and don't be so silly" methodology. And they wonder why the public have such a low opinion of them! But of course it's the public's fault. Yeah, right...

It was me that called the poster ridiculous. I haven't stated on this thread whether I am a police officer or not but it is a bit silly to want to carry a weapon with you because you would rather try and defend yourself, instead of calling the police because you don't trust any officer to help you against somebody who is trying to hurt you.

And @HatThatWearsYou this will probably get deleted but I want to save you from wasting your time and apologising to people unnecessarily... I'd take some of what you read on here with a pinch of salt.

I don't think you are able to explain procedure @damnedwhatever because I'm fairly confident you are not who you claim to be, and it concerns me greatly.

Just stopped myself chortling at this....can't bash teachers? You have got to be joking - teachers should even pick up the slack if the kid doesn't brush their teeth, according to some on here who think teachers are a cross between social workers and Norland nannies.

@TheChippendenSpook I can understand the other posters viewpoint though. I don't think I would call the police for anything these days unless something extremely serious was happening.

Myself and DH have said we will sort issues ourselves as not much gets done otherwise.

Sorry. It's just how I feel.

I actually do understand that, I really do. It just gets my back up that there have been a few police officers on this thread that have tried to tell people that they're not all one big corrupt mess. There are officers who do want to help and want to make a difference but there are people on here who don't take a blind bit of notice of them. Instead they shout louder and say 'nope, I don't believe you.'

The police have a long way to go to build trust in people, I do realise that but there are people on here who won't listen to actual officers who are trying to stick up for themselves and who go out and do a damn near impossible job, day in day out. Officers have told them of the good they are trying to do and they still don't care.

I don't know how they can even begin to change it when people are unwilling to listen.

This is what I posted earlier and which I stand by:-

The attitude of most (not all) of the police officers on here has reinforced the conclusion that they are part of the problem. Reading them over, you can well see how and why the public have lost respect for them - with their "we know best, so do what we say, shut up and don't be so silly" methodology. And they wonder why the public have such a low opinion of them! But of course it's the public's fault. Yeah, right..

If you read what many of them have written on here, they seem unable to comprehend that adopting this kind of attitude is neither helpful or reassuring, nor does it do anything to take away the public's concerns that many police officers are somewhat (very) arrogant and in the job primarily for the power it gives over the general public and the opportunity to throw their weight around. And therein lies one of the problems that has led the police forces (not just the Met) into the mess they are currently in - a belief that they are untouchable. There are, of course, other things wrong - extremely poor management at the top and the training obviously is not fit for purpose either. The whole set-up needs a complete overhaul - but this will never happen. And so the problem will continue.

Thank you but don't worry, I have told that poster before that I am not convinced she is what she says she is.

I do think it's important to apologise when I get it wrong, and I do feel like it was deserved the other day. I was so sure I remembered correctly and I really didn't!

I know you mentioned the emery board but I was definitely replying to Damned's post below yours replying to that poster as well.

I believe any decent police officer must really feel the frustration right now, and I'm quite sure that's a massive understatement on my part.
The thing is that even if you are one of the really, really good ones, there are still some really worrying things going on as far as the public, and women in particular, are concerned about.

You need to be able to separate it out so you aren't getting frustrated with us. We all know that it's not every police officer. We know there are good ones out there. But when trust is so low getting angry at people and arguing that there are good ones, or that you're one of the good ones isn't helpful.
Understandable, but not at all helpful.

@HatThatWearsYou Which poster do you mean that you have told before?

Damned and I have crossed paths in FWR about the police before, and I've said I didn't think she actually was a police officer.

There are bad apples everywhere, police, doctors, etc included. And the police are not always in the position to play polite, 'You have to go that way', rather than 'If you don't mind we'd prefer you to go that way'. They have to show strong often to get the necessary effect, I generally give them the benefit of the doubt.

Oh Jesus I do give in . Believe what you want . I'm done . I've been a cop since 2007 - when I joined as a special and joined full time properly in 2010.

I'm not bothered if you don't believe me I don't advise anyone. Not anymore . You carry on . It's fine . Have fun .

I'm just gonna say this

Mn gives me absolutely no joy or pleasure whatsoever anymore. I stick around because my ex blamed this forum on our demise . I posted stuff about our relationship, including his coldness when I found out I was having a baby with a chromosome disorder- that's was 8 years ago now though .

I've stuck around - I don't know why . We split up 4.5 years ago . Maybe I stayed here to try and prove it wasn't this that fucked it . I dunno . But I'm done now . I dont need this anymore . Im sick I being accused of lying . It's so ridiculous it's almost laughable really . I joined this forum in 2007 as vicarinatutu . Telling you that because I'm deregulating. I dont want this place taking my head space anymore. I was a prolific poster and I was quite well known . I was friends with lots on fb , bit of fun , shiney , queenoffuckingeverthing,riven, loads of old timers . Maybe they can vouch for me if there still here - bof - bee - died a couple of years ago. Oh and I was friends on fb with thesdcondcoming- I came of the fb group some years ago when someone actually tracked me down in real life .
Anyway . I'm done . Tatty bye .

As I’m sure you’re still here, all this is why you are so identifiable.

You've posted in this thread that your career ended your marriage. You’ve posted in the past that falling in love with your colleague ended your marriage. There won’t be any evidence of your ever-changing stories though, as you carefully name change like you have done here or get all your past lies deleted for “privacy reasons”.

Crikey I hope she gets the help she clearly needs, cop or not.

Dora you've been absolutely horrible to the police on this thread and most of your replies are so sarcastic and closed minded it's you coming across with having the problem. I'm not being argumentative but if you re read what you've written it isn't nice. The training officers get is brutal, saying it isn't adequate is a weird and ignorant assumption on your part. You remind me of a woman I once knew who had loads of opinions on how police could be better and how rubbish the thousands that make a career of it every day are and it turned out she tried to join twice and was rejected. Its one thing to have an opinion and another to sound so ignorant and you really stand out on the whole thread as the worst one sorry.

Completely agree, plus the average person might experience a few significant deaths and a couple of crimes in their lives, nowhere near what police deal with daily- thousands of deaths, delivering the death messages, getting assaulted, the responsibility of it all and whatever else they do. I doubt its that they all don't care ( obviously being people some will more and some won't ) but they're likely far more used to these things happening than a member of Joe public who expect they can solve all their problems. Considering how nasty people are there's no wonder some cops end up cynical and the last thing they do when they get home after a night shift is think about how to change things at an institutional level. I mean PLEASE. I'm sure a lot of you don't get home and think about the toxic culture in your work places. Give them a break unless you want the good ones to keep leaving and nobody to be there when a door needs kicking in because nobody's heard from your nan or a child has wandered off at the seaside and a mass search is on. The people who hate police are people who want police to sort out mess they make for themselves, if they were left to deal with their jobs and weren't expected to be a spokesperson for LBC radio saying and doing all the perfect things they wouldn't be so vilified on here. Oh and also when I had a car accident I didn't give a fuck what sort of a personality the lovely male officer who turned up had behind the scenes. That isn't my business, I was so bloody grateful for him.

you really stand out on the whole thread as the worst one sorry.

Don't apologise, I'm so pleased you think so. Rest of the diatribe ignored.

LOL exactly what I mean, your points are redundant when you're so foul.

I thought about this thread when I saw the film of two West Midlands police officers running into a burning building at the weekend and rescuing people. I wondered if some people on here would refuse to be saved because you know who wants to be rescued by a police officer.