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AIBU to think that love and relationship success is largely due to luck?

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Shakespearesister · 20/02/2024 20:11

Definitely bitter and biased here but bare with me…

Im almost 40, 3 small children and my long term relationship is falling apart.
There are a multitude of reasons why but it got me thinking about all my friends who are in happy marriages and relationships.

Lots of them are in similar positions to me, with awful, selfish men who don’t want to grow up, debt issues, wanting to get drunk/take drugs far too often, lazy and not sharing the household chores/mental load.
These are lovely, moral, intelligent women... they deserve more.

I also have friends who are with wonderful men who put them first, do their fair share, act like adults and are hands on parents, look after their wives and kids and our family first. (Sadly, there are very much in the minority.)
I get that some women stay too long with idiots (like me) and that’s on them, but AIBU to think that a lot of time, the people we end up with is just luck/bad luck?

I had no way of knowing what kind of father my partner would be when we met, he was attentive, generous and kind but has slowly become a monster.
No one can foresee addiction issues, potential infidelity etc years in the future.

AIBU to think some people just get lucky in love? Or is this to simplistic.

OP posts:
Dogknowsbest · 21/02/2024 21:43

I don't think it's all down to luck. I think it's a product of so many factors. Psychologists frequently say that happy long-term relationships are more likely to happen if you have a secure attachment style. Self awareness is also important, in knowing who you would be suited to and your life priorities. I've noticed it's reflected in my friendship group as well. The happiest couples I know seem to come from these strong families, understand what's worth tolerating and what isn't and want the same things. There's nothing special about them - they just know what to look for because they know what a good relationship looks like.

Unfortunately, for me and a lot of other people we were modelled sub-standard relationships so that's what we think is normal.

Merryoldgoat · 21/02/2024 22:38

I also always wonder, when I see posts that outline a man's many varied faults over the course of several paragraphs but then end "but I still love him"... what do these posters think love is?

This baffles me too.

Diamondshmiamond · 22/02/2024 19:34

In the words of Baz Luhrman " your life circumstances are half chance, so don't congratulate yourself too much or berate yourself too much either"

Half chance, as I do think judgement enters into it, but chance nonetheless.

Fernsfernsferns · 23/02/2024 13:31

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 21/02/2024 21:35

Obviously it's partly luck. But I think the best way of avoiding marrying an arsehole is being willing to be single for a looong time, potentially forever, rather than settle for someone who shows even the tiniest signs of being a potential arsehole. And realising you don't owe any man a single date, never mind sex or a relationship. The luck element lies in how much of a natural good judge of character you are, and in the relationships and expectations you've had modelled to you growing up. And of course in whether many decent men cross your path.

Hmmm.

My experience could be described as that. And one read is it worked out. But another read I feel is closer to the truth is I got labelled as ‘not relationship material’ in my social group which repelled some relationships that could have been for me without that.

i was single my whole life, bar two short relationships until i met my now husband in my early 30s

(literally max 3-4 months active stage, though one had an following unhealthy friendship for longer afterwards until I woke up and cut him off).

certainly at the outset I was after the whole package.

what the movies tell you to hold out for, chemistry, friendship, intellectual equal, partner, supporter.

while I did have some issues of self worth as a teen and 20 something they were by no means out of kilter with friends who did more successfully get into relationships.

i was unlucky I think not to meet someone who ticked my boxes and me theirs to have the standard late teens / university starter relationship.

but I found overtime that my singleness became a source of both stigma and fascination in my social circle.

literally ‘what is wrong with Ferns’ was a legitimate topic, as was grilling me about my dating life for the vicarious thrills.

On paper I have a lot going for me and I never lacked for male attention.

i became seen as some radioactive combination of damaged goods and unattainable for no particular reason.

of course the cycle took its toll and eventually I took myself off to therapy and rebuilt my self esteem and drew some better boundaries.

the changes I made with friends were as impactful as how I dealt with men.

i stopped discussing my dating life with anyone to keep my centre but also to change the narrative ‘friends’ were by now projecting onto me.

15 years past that several male friends in the social circle seem
both surprised I have a successful marriage and family and regretful they didn’t see that potential in me.

ive learned that men are pack animals. They seek the approval of their peers subconsciously. They often get interested in the girls that are in relationships because it’s safe, and there is the social confirmation that they are ‘girlfriend material’ or maybe just attainable. They can go ‘well she’s with him but I’m better in this way so maybe she’d consider me’

friendship groups dynamics and social status matter a lot until at least your mid 20s. If I had my time over I’d play the game differently

toomuchfaff · 23/02/2024 13:49

I had no way of knowing what kind of father my partner would be when we met, he was attentive, generous and kind but has slowly become a monster.
No one can foresee addiction issues, potential infidelity etc years in the future.

You're right - you had no way to know, but you stayed despite him showing you signs, he showed you many many times over the years, each time he showed a little bit more than the last, he tested the boundaries, he wasn't a monster at first - he became one along the way, you didn't set clear boundaries - when he started down that slope - your actions didn't let him know it wasn't acceptable, by your action, you didn't let him know it stops here - he was able to continue his downward spiral to become the monster because you enabled him to treat you that way, you told him by your acceptance that he could continue, you didn't stop, you didn't leave.... you took him back, you made up after that argument, you let it slide that infidelity, or that snipe, or that comment... a bunch of flowers, a promise it wont happen again...

Its not luck. The people who have nicer relationships than you; who have met nicer men, who have nicer husbands - they had people who they split up with - they had monsters in the making - but they left them behind.

myphoneisbroken · 23/02/2024 13:57

I agree that it's not luck. I made a bad choice about who I started a family with. A lot of this was due to my ignorance about relationships. I genuinely didn't have a clue. I was looking for somebody "interesting" that I "had something in common with" and "shared interests". I didn't look twice at the guys who would have made brilliant dads, because I thought they were boring. More fool me - they are now the ones who are great dads, loyal partners, and have got a good sense of humour.

I do congratulate myself on realising what a liability XP was after our first child and getting out (even though I really wanted more children). He went on to have another child and another break-up.

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