Single one component measle vaccine

[MimiDuncan]

Hi All,

I am wondering if any of you decided to give to their little ones the single one component measle vaccine? ( babyjabs are offering it)

if yes how it turned out?

many thanks,

4 cases per 100, 000 we were told in hospital.

So pretty rare thankfully but certainly not so rare to be negligible. I believe they've started putting it on the accompanying leaflets now so the vaccine manufacturers /NHS obviously consider its worth flagging to people.

Vaccine damage is incredibly rare, most people have no more than a bit of a fever.

Something else that is incredibly rare is water toxicity. It can lead to brain damage and death. It is real.

But overall as a society we don't limit the amount of water people drink.

There are over 4000 claims currently being processed by the vaccine damage scheme in the UK. Over 20 million has already been paid out for Covid jabs alone.

I'm still pro vaccination but having experience of it as a family I'm no longer dismissive of the concerns some people have.

I'd like to see where you have got your figures from. These are the figures from the NHS. It looks like about 100 people have made a successful claim. Note that this payment is made on the balance of probabilities.

https://opendata.nhsbsa.net/dataset/foi-01231

Thousands of people have made "claims".
@sashh 's link shows, most are not upheld.
Bit like posters claiming to be pro-vaccine when their posting history tells another story.

It's like most vaccine reactions , the vaccine gives a lower risk from this side effect than the actual diseases do.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7755875/
"Even though it is important to highlight that ITP can be caused by MMR vaccination, the incidence of ITP following vaccination is significantly lower than the incidence of the condition following the infections prevented by this vaccine. Consequently, post-MMR vaccine ITP should not limit the universal MMR vaccination of children."

Just remembered my DM develped thrombocytopenia from Heparin after an operation, they had to put her on a very expensive alternative drug, but she never had it from her vaccines

It IS rare but it does happen and I think some empathy for those questioning vaccines is needed. A family friend was left severely disabled due to the meningitis vaccine, however, I still gave the vaccine to my children as I also know of a child who died of meningitis. The risk of them contracting meningitis v's vaccine injury was worth it for me.

I think the name calling and shaming of people for vaccine questioning is awful, education is what is needed. I have read some vaccine threads where the people are backing up what they say with facts and empathy but those that call the OP names just push people away and the chance to educate and influence them to change their minds.

If I wasn't pro vaccination why on earth would my kids be fully vaccinated, the most recent of which was st school only a fortnight ago.

Keep telling yourself what you want to hear.

From the NHS own data published on 13th June last year but I read it in research professional news.

Exactly.

Positions at the far end of the scale on either side simply aren't helpful. Yes deaths caused by vaccines are rare but they happen. If you are one of those families having to bury a healthy young person following a jab then some of the name calling and lack of empathy shown on here is a disgrace.

I don't know if there is anything in this , but my group of 7 nct mothers, 3 children are asd and one is on route to diagnosis.

This was a very varied cohort; young , slightly older mums, various races and yet more than 50% have children on the spectrum.

Are you implying that vaccinations have or might have caused the ASD?

If you are, there’s no evidence for this at all. It’s wrong. Demonstrably wrong.

If you’re not, what are you implying?

I'm just saying its far more prevalent than we know , and its happening across all cohorts no matter the background of the mother.

The trouble with engaging mildly with anti-vaxxers is that it allows them to suggest that there’s a valid reason for shunning vaccines, that there’s something to their arguments.

That’s why anti-vaxxers adopt the ‘I’m pro-vaccine but…’ and the ‘woe is me, everyone’s so horrible’ lines. It’s all bogus.

People with concerns can get all the help and reassurance they need from medical professionals. There’s no benefit to anyone in anti-vax arguments in forums like this. Anti-vaxxers need to be shut down.

You seem to have changed name.

But this is the point, it's not the anti-vaxxers that you are trying to influence it's the vaccine questioners. Some people you will never be able to influence but those who are worried will read these threads and be aggressively shut down for asking questions.

It is healthy to ask questions about something you are putting into the most precious thing in the world. People need empathy and education. Like I said, all my children have had their vaccines despite witnessing a catastrophic vaccine injury because the benefits outweighed the risk for me. If people hear stories like mine they may be more inclined to weigh up the risk but shutting down concerns has never worked for influencing people.

Not all of us are rabid anti vaxxers though. Some of us genuinely have had bad experiences. The benefit of the discussion is honesty. There can be nothing gained from hiding the truth as all it does is generate mistrust and more people will refuse vaccines. We can't have an echo chamber on such important issues.

Yes exactly!! It concerns me that vaccine rates are so low and the aggressive approach is just turning people away. Since COVID there is a massive mistrust in medical professionals and government and that needs to be built back rather than name calling and shaming.

It would help to reassure people if you didn’t punt out “catastrophic vaccine injury” all the time.

You say it didn’t change your mind. So what’s the value to anyone else of your referring to it?

Catastrophic vaccine injury is incredibly rare. Much, much rarer than terrible injury or death from the diseases. So why do you bang on about it?

I don’t believe there is general mistrust in the medical profession. Except among the stranger sort of conspiracist.

I don't think it is anything to do with covid apart from the fact that it made it even easier to promote conspiracy theories. Grifters are making a fortune on social media . I agree it is not helpful to try and shame people but at the same time I am sceptical that all the posters who seem to know someone who is vaccine damaged are genuine. It is extremely rare.

Firstly, I do not 'bang on about it - it was a horrific time, I refer to it because I weighed up the risk v's benefit for my children despite witnessing it. I think it's helpful to parents who are wary of vaccine injury that despite that happening I still proceeded to give my children it.

It may be rare but it happened. If we know the vaccine injuries happen they have to happens to somebody. I don't particularly care if you believe me, it happened and I still vaccinated my children as I believe vaccines save lives. I am just more empathetic to people questioning and having concerns because of it.

Anecdotally there is a feeling of mistrust, you see it on here, education and empathy is the key not aggressively shutting down even the innocuous questions.

You may be sceptical but it DID happen and I still vaccinated my children because I truly believe that vaccines save lives. It just makes me more empathetic to the questioners and hopefully help others to see the risk v benefit of vaccines.

I am not sure what you say happened but your language and use of certain words suggests you spend time on anti vaxxer sites and makes me sceptical of everything you say.

Believe me, I do not spend any time on anti-vaxxer sites - I'm not an anti vaxxer at all, my children and I are fully vaccinated against everything so how am I an anti vaxxer? I have said vaccines save lives, but I have experienced vaccine injury and I'm sharing that experience.

You are proving my point though. I agree with you and you are arguing against me, so if someone is worried and you are this aggressive to them, how is it going to help? All in asking for is empathy rather than shutting down any questions that people may have. I've seen loads of posters do this in an empathetic and kind way, I'm not sure why this is controversial.

I can describe the injury if you want but I don't think it will help add to my point or the thread.