Single one component measle vaccine

[MimiDuncan]

Hi All,

I am wondering if any of you decided to give to their little ones the single one component measle vaccine? ( babyjabs are offering it)

if yes how it turned out?

many thanks,

Have you ever met a child who is mentally and physically disabled due to rubella, or someone who was crippled by polio, or left blind, deaf and/brain damaged by measles or hurd your grandparents talking about losing children to all of these diseases? I have and I watched all the survivors die early due to the consequences of their infection as children. Ask any gen X or older and will understand quite how ridiculous your arguments are, yes vaccines can harm a tiny number of people however it's far far fewer than the diseases that your behaviour is inviting back.
I really do hope that you don't live to regret your choice not to vaccinate your dc fully

You’re missing the point that although it’s unborn babies that need protection, including future grandchildren, vaccinating one year olds is not the only possible way to provide that protection.

The NHS and government choose to vaccinate children against rubella when they are small because it provides higher rates of vaccination than if they were to only offer it to the girls that need it at an older age.

Parents are driven by what is best for their own individual child. Governments are not. It shouldn’t be that hard to understand why some parents don’t have want their child to have a vaccine that carries a risk of damage, no matter how small, when they don’t need it and unborn babies could be protected another way.

The whole MMR scare was a horrendous fabrication of data based scandal. There is no excuse whatsoever for but getting the MRR and protecting children from the unthinkable horror of diseases

You are the one missing the point. It doesn't matter if parents are driven by what is best for their individual child because being vaccinated is best for their child. Children might not need it as babies but they do need it before they are of childbearing age. Why would parents want to wait until their children are around 11 to vaccinate them? They will still be children and so their parents will be making the decision for them just as they would when they were babies. And it will mean that they will have to have an extra round of injections which would not have been necessary if they had rubella included with the measles and mumps injection. I don't agree that the rubella vaccine does not benefit boys either unless you think it won't matter to them if their unborn babies die or are severely disabled because their partner catches rubella from them.

I didn't realise he was still kicking around. Just read about his feature film, way to pray on the anxieties of vulnerable parents. He deserves to rot in hell Bet he doesn't show people from previous generations who suffered long term effects from mumps. Just like he didn't say the truth that kids were much much more likely to get long term health effects from having the measles disease rather than the vaccine.

Measles notifications and deaths in England and Wales 1940 - 2020. Six children in the last 20 years or so, all with immunological problems.

MMR is vital and we need to keep the rate of vaccinations as high as possible but I’m not sure berating parents and telling them their child ‘will die’ if they fall ill with Measles is particularly helpful.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013

I had mumps and was pretty poorly with it

40 years later, some immunity tests showed I had no immunity to mumps

I got the MMR jabs for mumps

Bloody hell £170 for a 'consultation' then the same again for each jab, most of which are not licenced in the UK.

Chickenpox can be serious though. DS was very Badly affected by it. It triggered him having fits which is apparently not that rare. I know another who ended up deaf as a result of the virus. I also know two people who have caught it as young adults and been incredibly ill and ended up in hospital so for me it was very sensible spending £40 to get Dd vaccinated.

Well, as long as you're all right, everything is going to be fine.

Not.

Chickenpox in adults can be a very serious condition and can trigger shingles in susceptible people

In the UK, about 20 people (adults and children) can die of chickenpox every year

vaccineknowledge.ox.ac.uk/chickenpox-varicella#Key-disease-facts

Just get the bloody MMR like everyone else abd stop being so bloody ridiculous about it

I can't believe people are still so hung up and pathetic over getting life saving vaccinations FFS

Why is it "not helpful " to tell parents that their children could die or be injured if they catch measles and are not vaccinated?

Not to mention that even if your child is "fine" after catching measles, they're really not. One of the consequences of a measles infection is that it takes over your immune system and causes it to 'forget' all other pathogens except for measles so you will be immune to measles and only measles but susceptible to everything else even if you have encountered it before and so should be immune. This immune amnesia means your child is going to catch every bug, virus and disease going as their immune system is going to have to 'relearn' everything. Each one they encounter and catch is going to come with its own risks and complications so you will be repeatedly gambling with their long term health and even their life. This suppression of the immune system can also cause complications throughout the body such as organ damage and neurological damage.

Some of the complications of measles may not appear for many years later. Measles is associated with several forms of encephalitis and while this may be acute and develop within days of infection, other types might not become apparent for weeks, months or even years later, for example, post-infection encephalitis could several several weeks or months after infection but SSPE might not develop until 7-10 years after infection.

Could you imagine not only risking your child getting through measles unscathed (which is no mean feat given that 1 in 15 will develop serious or long term complications) then having to get them through every illness they suffer due to their immune system "forgetting" how to fight anything except measles and then having to also keep it in your mind for the next ten years that they could still develop complications from that measles infection?

I had Measles as a child because i wasnt allowed to have vaccine because of the below. I was so ill from tonsilitis for the next year or so and would have weeks off school at a time , this was very early 70s so not whipping out tonsils on a whim like they did before . They took them out when i was 10

I cant be bothered to type this again so i am going to c&p a post i previously made

"My Family have a genetic condition called GEFS+ It is a mutation of the SCN1A gene
On the mild end it means that children have febrile convulsions up to puberty rather than 5 and a lot more than normal like my DS who had his last FC at 13 and had over 20 . We can trace it back to at least my Grandmother. In fact my ds had his first febrile convulsion a few weeks after his mmr at 13 months

The other end of the spectrum of GEFS+ is Dravets syndrome where children start having seizures from a young baby and their seizures cause brain damage.

Dravets syndrome has been found in children who were originally thought to have a vaccine injury . Vaccine may have triggered the seizure by causing a temperature but the vaccine is not the cause of the brain damage. They would have had the same reaction to any fever.not just one caused by vaccine"
I will add that GEFS+ wasnt really discovered until recently even though we can trace it back to 1910s.

That's a medical reason not to have the vaccine and herd immunity is supposed to help protect child like the ones in your family. People like Andrew Wakefield have damaged that with their unfounded claims about vaccinations which have then led to this general attitude of 'vaccine hesitancy' (aka, anti-vaxx by another name).

With regard to Rubella, it was not that common because epidemics only happened every 7 years or so before vaccines, consequences are that a lot of people dont get it as child. It is also misdiagnosed and 90% of cases sent to labs nowadays for comfirmation come back negative!
The consequences of this that was so many pregnant women caught it back in the 60s that they had set up bulge classes for the deaf and blind in colleges because of Congenital Rubella Syndrome. In the last epidemic in the USA there were 10s of 1000s miscarriages and still births and and 10's of 1000s affected by CRS.

My DM didnt get rubella until mid 70s when she was 30s, I was about 13 or 14 and due to have my Rubella vax at school that year, but i caught it from her as did my younger sisters. I have a friend same age as my DM who caught it in the same epidemic.

It was a medical reason back in the 60s but not now. My DS did not have his first FC until a few weeks after his MMR , but when his booster was due, they did offer to have it done in hospital because the diseases are more of a risk than the vaccine.
One poster told me his allergies (tree nuts and seeds) were probably caused by vaccines! If he had his MMR booster when it was first due it would have coincided with his first big reactions to a pecan and sesame which happened over one weekend.

I think the real issue here is what we as a society should do about those who imperil others by refusing vaccinations.

I’m tempted to think that any government pay-out - like unemployment or child benefit - should be stopped. But in fact liability, rather than loss of benefit, would work better.

It’s a civil wrong and a criminal offence (public nuisance) intentionally to go about in public with a serious infectious disease. We should extend that to liability for risking the spread of serious disease by not vaccinating yourself or your children.

Some bankruptcies among anti-vaxxers from being sued for creating a public nuisance would do wonders for vaccine take up. Vaccine refusal is really just selfishness. So imposing a severe penalty that hits the pocket is only just.

I just feel sorry for the children of anti-vax parents, to be honest.

GP: "Would you like a vaccine that's very, very unlikely to harm your child, but is very, very good at protecting them and their friends from a serious, debilitating condition or even death?"

Anti-Vax parent: "No thanks, I know better than you, and I know my rights"

Stopping child benefit and other taxpayer funded benefits for people who refuse vaccines without any reasonable medical reasons might focus a few minds, even those who have a lot of opinions but clearly very little between their ears.

Whilst I'm pro vaccination in general one size does not fit all.

There are people who have suffered vaccine damage. People who have died due to vaccination. There are people who have concerns because they have existing medical conditions where vaccination is known to trigger issues.

None of this is nonsense and it's disingenuous not to acknowledge it.

I'm interested to know why you want to give the single vaccination? The MMR is safe and effective. And it also protects against rubella which if caught by a pregnant woman can be devastating for the unborn baby abs and mumps which can lead to infertility in males

Some people can't have certain vaccinations.

Both myself and dd have been hospitalised after different ones. I find your comments offensive tbh.

How do they think the pregnant women catch rubella if not from infected children and don't they realise that their child might grow up and become a pregnant woman.
Also mumps can also cause serious long term consequences for girls.

Yes the leading cause of deafnesd used to be mumps, also connected with pancreatitus and type 1 diabetes , and also affects the ovaries