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Single one component measle vaccine

228 replies

MimiDuncan · 16/02/2024 15:08

Hi All,

I am wondering if any of you decided to give to their little ones the single one component measle vaccine? ( babyjabs are offering it)

if yes how it turned out?

many thanks,

OP posts:
Rainbowunicornsparkles · 17/02/2024 13:42

I don’t know why acknowledging vaccine damage happens makes my understanding of risk ‘woeful.’

Those who are relentlessly pro vaccine never want to acknowledge that vaccines aren’t risk free, while those who are anti vax never acknowledge the positives that have come from vaccines.

Both positions are dogmatic and therefore problematic.

flutterby1 · 17/02/2024 13:43

No because MMR is perfectly safe. Why would you pay !

BeautifulViews · 17/02/2024 13:47

Rainbowunicornsparkles · 16/02/2024 16:04

There are at least two MNetters from bygone days with children who reacted badly to the vaccine and were left permanently disabled as a result.

Of course, the majority of children have the vaccine and are fine. But a small minority are not fine. I don’t think that is being anti vax but some would say that it is.

I would say that's a good argument against single vaccines, the fewer vaccines the child has the fewer times they can have an allergic reaction to them!

And just to educate, there isn't anything uniquely dangerous about vaccines that cause these rare reactions, you can have an anaphylactic reaction to SALINE and nobody ever claims that is poison.

PixellatedPixie · 17/02/2024 13:49

The NHS offers the jabs for free because they save millions in hospital and disability fees by ensuring Measles, Mumps and Rubella infections are kept as low as possible. If there was ANY possibility that the vaccines caused problems in kids they would eradicate them because it is the NHS and government in general who has to fork out for all the services associated with disabilities like autism. The anti vax arguments that work in the US just don’t hold up with the NHS!

Throckmorton · 17/02/2024 13:53

I don't get this - if you're happy to give your child a vaccine, why on earth would you not give the standard one that covers three things rather than one? Can anyone who is in favour of single vaccines tell me why?

PixellatedPixie · 17/02/2024 13:54

Rainbowunicornsparkles · 17/02/2024 13:42

I don’t know why acknowledging vaccine damage happens makes my understanding of risk ‘woeful.’

Those who are relentlessly pro vaccine never want to acknowledge that vaccines aren’t risk free, while those who are anti vax never acknowledge the positives that have come from vaccines.

Both positions are dogmatic and therefore problematic.

I am pro vaccine in the same way that I am pro using a train. Train accidents happen but we still use trains to get to work. The MMR vaccine’s benefits far, far outweigh the risks. Cars are not dangerous than vaccines and I bet you let your kids travel in them. That is why we can say we are pro vaccine while acknowledging that there are risks to the technology.

PixellatedPixie · 17/02/2024 13:55

I meant to say cars are far MORE dangerous to kids than vaccines.

Francecat · 17/02/2024 13:57

VickyEadieofThigh · 16/02/2024 15:48

There was no MMR when I was a child. My brother got measles and was horribly ill with it - and a child who lived just up the road was left blind by it. I got German Measles as a young adult and it didn't cause me long-term harm (it's mostly harmful to a foetus, of course) but it was horrible painful.

Mumps causes sterility in men.

Get your children vaccinated.

Not just men…my aunt couldn’t have children because she got mumps as a teenager

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 17/02/2024 14:16

Rainbowunicornsparkles · 17/02/2024 13:42

I don’t know why acknowledging vaccine damage happens makes my understanding of risk ‘woeful.’

Those who are relentlessly pro vaccine never want to acknowledge that vaccines aren’t risk free, while those who are anti vax never acknowledge the positives that have come from vaccines.

Both positions are dogmatic and therefore problematic.

If I have a malignant tumour a surgeon might tell me that an operation would have very good prospects but there’s a 0.001% chance that I will suffer a terrible complication. If I go ahead I’m not being dogmatic. I’m being sensible.

The particular mischief of most anti-vaxxers is that they want the benefits of herd immunity but not to have to play their part with their time or the discomfort (in reality very little) to their child. They’re loathsome freeloaders.

As soon as there’s a significant outbreak of an infectious childhood disease the queues of anti-vaxxers outside the surgeries and clinics is a sight to behold. But they caused it.

Rainbowunicornsparkles · 17/02/2024 14:46

Re why people are confused as to why some will choose singles - many won’t have all three, a lot will just have measles.

dementedpixie · 17/02/2024 14:51

Rainbowunicornsparkles · 17/02/2024 14:46

Re why people are confused as to why some will choose singles - many won’t have all three, a lot will just have measles.

Why though?
Mumps caused deafness in my brother
You can't get a single mumps or rubella vaccine

Rainbowunicornsparkles · 17/02/2024 14:55

People kept asking why others were having three vaccines instead of one and I replied most won’t be.

I am not debating the respective rights and wrongs of it, just that for most parents who opt out of the MMR they will opt out of rubella and mumps and only have the single measles, if they have it at all that is.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 17/02/2024 15:01

I got them done separately many years ago at a private clinic. They were absolutely fine with no side effects at all. But then just before they started school they had the MMR booster and suffered no ill effects from that either.

I don't think it's possible to get all 3 separately anymore though is it? By the time I had my youngest, it was a lot easier to look things up on the internet, so she just had all her jabs as recommended. I didn't have a choice anyway though as I think it was the rubella one that couldn't be obtained.

Throckmorton · 17/02/2024 16:13

OK, so the question is then - why don't parents want their children protected against mumps and rubella?

ExpressCheckout · 17/02/2024 16:16

^ This. Although I would have added why don't parents want their children and other people's children protected against mumps and rubella, which is the point of community vaccination.

Rainbowunicornsparkles · 17/02/2024 16:46

Presumably they feel those illnesses are not worth the vaccination.

MotherofChaosandDestruction · 17/02/2024 16:48

wombat15 · 16/02/2024 16:33

It's not a "perfectly valid choice" if single vaccines aren't available.

You are absolutely correct, I didn't realise you couldn't get the other 2 separately anymore.

OP from my anecdotal perspective all of my friends and family have given their children the MMR with no ill effects.

TempName247 · 17/02/2024 16:58

Regarding the chickenpox immunisation , when I looked into it I read that it doesn’t fully prevent chickenpox and you could still catch it later in life where the symptoms are more severe, whereas catching the virus in childhood gives better immunity long term.

Measles vaccine is so important and a local child has been very poorly with it recently so it is very much still in circulation.

BeautifulViews · 17/02/2024 16:58

Throckmorton · 17/02/2024 16:13

OK, so the question is then - why don't parents want their children protected against mumps and rubella?

I have heard people say that mumps only makes boys infertile so girls don't need the vaccine and rubella is only dangerous to pregnant women so children don't need it.

Rainbowunicornsparkles · 17/02/2024 17:36

Rubella certainly isn’t of direct benefit to the children receiving it.

wombat15 · 17/02/2024 18:00

Rainbowunicornsparkles · 17/02/2024 17:36

Rubella certainly isn’t of direct benefit to the children receiving it.

It will protect their children.

Rainbowunicornsparkles · 17/02/2024 18:03

Rubella only used to be given to girls of child bearing age (year 9 I think.)

It is not of direct benefit to children of around twelve months of age and isn’t of any direct benefit to boys, Which is ethically dubious IMO and probably is at least partly why there is something of a low take up.

wombat15 · 17/02/2024 18:04

BeautifulViews · 17/02/2024 16:58

I have heard people say that mumps only makes boys infertile so girls don't need the vaccine and rubella is only dangerous to pregnant women so children don't need it.

Children and pregnant womwn aren't a different species. Children grow up and one day may be pregnant women or the partners of pregnant women.

wombat15 · 17/02/2024 18:09

Rainbowunicornsparkles · 17/02/2024 18:03

Rubella only used to be given to girls of child bearing age (year 9 I think.)

It is not of direct benefit to children of around twelve months of age and isn’t of any direct benefit to boys, Which is ethically dubious IMO and probably is at least partly why there is something of a low take up.

Obviously it isn't of direct benefit when they are 12 months but it will be of direct benefit when they are older. It is of direct benefit to boys as many will one day be fathers and they probably won't want to infect the mother with rubella when pregnant with their child. Do you not think having a healthy child is a direct benefit?

Hoardasurass · 17/02/2024 18:10

@MimiDuncan I had all single vaccines as a child (the mmr didn't come out until I was in my late teens) and I still caught measles and rubella why, because they are not as effective as the mmr. There is no valid reason to get separate vaccines and as you cannot get the rubella vaccine you are risking your grandchildren being born disabled by rubella if your dc catches it when pregnant (assumingdc is female). I'm old enough to have had family members who had this happen because there wasn't a vaccine when they were pregnant.