To wonder why some women Aren’t upset about men being in their safe spaces?

[Lion400]

Why would we make it easier for men to be in our safe spaces? Don’t twist my words. This is not about being anti trans women - this is about men not being in women’s safe spaces. Why should women have to allow men in so as to ‘save their feelings’? What about women’s safety, feelings and wishes?

Given stories such as these - examples only but they quite clearly demonstrate the issue. As if anyone needs this. The stats are easily available.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/shana-grice-murder-stalking-police-sussex-a8862611.html?fbclid=IwAR0bJYAs849f0I9VFv7tHw3aguB5C8HZi3yyOMr4LxxIRURs0HBxrc_TxzE

And now the disappointing John Lewis (aka Stonewall) disaster.

https://www.jamesesses.com/p/the-trans-takeover-of-john-lewis

Who puts women first, apart from JKR and friends. It’s a limited list.

Of course it bloody does, it shows why women need spaces away from men to feel and BE safer in some situations.

But safe spaces wouldn’t have saved her.

it’s not relevant and reaching

Not sure what to say about this. I hardly go to any such places anymore, have not been to swimming in ages, have not been to a gym, the last place where a man who became a woman could have been using the toilets was my job where we had backstairs with toilets and only few people working from only two companies. I was so curious is my colleague young man turned lady is going to use the toilets as a man or as a woman lol. He was such a lovely guy and never had bad vibe about himself. Sad actually that I left and could not spend more time with him ( her?) because he was very sweet and shy as I like quieter and humbler people

Those saying they don't need safe spaces - like, never? Never think you'll need a hospital bed or such like?

im not sure this is actually seeking differing opinions, but to give benefit of the doubt...
where I live (Brighton) we have a lot of women only spaces that are trans inclusive and that I have used and not felt uncomfortable at all. This includes gyms, health services and toilets (that i have experience of)
Ultimately, this question comes down to whether you are comfortable with trans women in "women only" spaces, and there is a clear difference of opinion here that you don't seem to accept? I can disagree with you and say that it doesn't bother me (because it genuinely doesn't) I can also accept that it bothers you, and that you dont feel comfortable
You don't seem to accept that others just dont agree with your point of view?

Is she the only women or girl to be killed by a man? I had no idea.

Because it just does not bother me.

The murdered woman was stalked. The issue is the fucking terrible way women are treated when they report stalking and harassment. Not sure why this poor woman's death is being hijacked to make an unrelated point.

Allowing predatory men (most are definitely not, obviously. However some are. And even if they’re not, I personally don’t want them exposing dicks in my space or my kids faces. ) into women’s safe spaces is like letting foxes into the chicken Coup. Does that exaggerated analogy make it clearer?

Never saw him which toilet he goes to , obviously I did not wait around the toilets 😂

Bore Off OP

I genuinely don’t know any woman who gives a shit about this in real life.

It is not unrelated. It’s about male violence. Patterns of male violence. and attitudes towards women.
Eg. That man stalked 13 other girls before her. She’d complained to the police - and been fined for doing so.

@Lion400 stop exploiting this woman's death.

I couldn't care less to be honest. Don't think I've ever seen a trans woman in a public toilet and if I did I wouldn't feel threatened. Have shared a bathroom with a trans colleague and again it was fine. They just wanted to go the the toilet and leave (not lurk around spying on women).

I think, in general, and selfishly, because it hasn't had a personal impact (yet).
I haven't seen a transwoman in any toilet I've been to - or if I have, they've had passing privilege and I haven't noticed.

My local swimming pools are mixed changing/mixed showers/separate cubicles.

I haven't had any issue with changing rooms as unisex or mixed, I've always had separate cubicles.

That leaves gynae/prison and shelters.
Gynae - personally not an issue same as male midwives, the latter ime were gentler in fact.
Prison - not sure how much of jail is ever a safe space but yes, it is a problem.
Shelter - there for the grace of God but yes, it is a problem.

But a problem caused by male predators looking for loopholes rather than the trans community itself.

It's not 'women only' if it's trans inclusive. If we're talking trans women that is.

Can you not imagine a situation where woman may need to use a Domestic Violence shelter, attend group rape crisis counselling, want female only medical care, be cared for in a female psychiatric unit, be imprisoned in a woman's prison, get naked in a communal women's changing room........

Do you think male bodied people should be able to enter those places?

@goingrouge
The trans debate.

They are Women who have never had to worry about their severely disabled Daughter needing same Sex care or being on a mixed Sex MH ward.
They obviously haven’t got Daughters in swimming teams or Rugby clubs where they are now faced with Males in their changing rooms and competitions.
They don’t think that the highly vulnerable Women in prisons are worthy of protection.
They’ve never considered how a rape victim would feel when faced with a Male counsellor in a Female only rape crisis centre who is gaslighting her by insisting he’s a Woman.
They don’t think about the possibility of the bloke in the next loo/ changing cubicle filming them.
In short, they dont think, at all, about the impact on Women and Girls who AREN’T ok with it.

You don't seem to accept that others just dont agree with your point of view?

She doesn't. Hence why she keeps starting threads hammering home the exact same points but re-worded.

Eh?

What is a safe space? I consider my home my safe space and that's it.

I was abused as a child, I was terrified to be around men in a vulnerable state, and still now, I put off having an operation I needed for 5 years because I couldn’t deal with the idea of being unconscious around a man. It has scarred me for life. I’m not the only women to have been sexually abused as a child, there are other girls alive now, dealing with the same thing at this very moment and so many people here don’t give a shit and will happily put men first.

It’s fucking heartbreaking.

I am not ‘exploiting her death’. Quite the opposite. It’s about male violence. Patterns of male violence, and attitudes towards women.