To wonder why some women Aren’t upset about men being in their safe spaces?

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Why would we make it easier for men to be in our safe spaces? Don’t twist my words. This is not about being anti trans women - this is about men not being in women’s safe spaces. Why should women have to allow men in so as to ‘save their feelings’? What about women’s safety, feelings and wishes?

Given stories such as these - examples only but they quite clearly demonstrate the issue. As if anyone needs this. The stats are easily available.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/shana-grice-murder-stalking-police-sussex-a8862611.html?fbclid=IwAR0bJYAs849f0I9VFv7tHw3aguB5C8HZi3yyOMr4LxxIRURs0HBxrc_TxzE

And now the disappointing John Lewis (aka Stonewall) disaster.

https://www.jamesesses.com/p/the-trans-takeover-of-john-lewis

Who puts women first, apart from JKR and friends. It’s a limited list.

Actually meant to quote @GreenAppleCrumble but agree with @lifeturnsonadime post too

@GreenAppleCrumble I got deleted fir referencing a potato 😔
Surely yours qualifies 😂

😂Looks like I got away with it!

I would have. If it weren't for those pesky kids...

Indeed! 😂😂

Me neither.

Honestly reading this I fear for trans women in public because of people’s attitudes online reflect their attitudes in real life there are a lot of very angry, ignorant women out there trying to “protect” their spaces from some one trying to use a toilet.

They can put their energies into campaign for third spaces and leave women out of it.

Its very simple.

We can speak the truth more than we were able to a few years ago.

Transphobia will be deleted.

Acknowledgement of truth and using correct sex pronouns for Sex offenders is allowed.

But these threads are watched by the activists and many posts are reported.

Certain people really don't like conversations about the failures of safeguarding of women and children in the context of the demands of trans rights activists.

Trans people have all of the human rights that every other human has. Ensuring the division of spaces on the basis of sex doesn't remove the human rights of trans people and is provided for in law by the Equality Act. What trans people and in particular trans women are doing is demanding additional rights. You would think, given that trans women can see that this has caused harms to women they would stay out of our single sex spaces and in fact some of them do, just like other decent males do.

Just think about it for a bit. You’ll get there.

A lot of posters on forums post something along the lines of:

'I asked all people who agree with me and they all agreed with me!'

Go ask on a website where people can tell you.

Me neither.

And that's wonderful for you. I'm glad you have that privilege.

Just please spare a thought for much less privileged women who do need safe spaces or single sex services. Prisoners, domestic violence victims, rape victims, orthodox religious, the sick and disabled. These women matter too.

I got deleted fir referencing a potato 😔

Yeah, not seen but sure that was all you were deleted for lol 🙄😬

And that's an obvious personal attack, which is against the guidelines.

Yeah cos I was pissed off. I'll leave the potato bit off next time. But the rest still stands.

Not transphobic.

Apology accepted.

Sorry @Cazpar got you two mixed up.

@PhoenixStarbeamer I am glad you posted this

I am a bit stunned at how so many people can not see a problem until it literally appears in right front of them though.

Lucky you!

Oh sorry I did miss personal attacks from my lists of reasons for being deleted.

This doesn't mean that a person is being transphobic, of course.

It's very easy to get very angry about the erosion of women's rights and it's a shame we have to be mindful of our language (and by that I don't mean swearing) otherwise we get deleted. Getting angry with anothers posters position might result in deletion where otherwise our opinions are reasonable.

Anyway back to the point of the thread.

Can anyone explain to me why women should put the demands trans women who are a subset males above the safety and dignity of females?

And how this is not men's right's activism?

This mindset assumes every single trans woman has actually gone to all that trouble to gain access to women in situations they would most likely get caught as soon as think it.

i tend not to have a wee in the sinks in public loos, as generally people don’t so I presume those of you seeing a dick peer over for a gaze? Hospitals - the male theatre chap today was lovely, down to earth and much more friendly than the female staff. Not in a perky way, in a nice friendly way.

This is just another anti trans diatribe, go back over to the FWR board and enjoy the soothing echo. Blokes in female spaces - no. Trans women - if they’re comfortable of course.

i tend not to have a wee in the sinks in public loos, as generally people don’t so I presume those of you seeing a dick peer over for a gaze?

You're assuming the people with penises shut the cubicle door. They don't necessarily. I won't speculate why not.

@User3456: "predatory males don't tend to be trans"

Statistically speaking, no. But 'trans women' are 3½ times more likely than other men to be sex offenders. I find that alarming.

We have excluded men from situations where women are vulnerable because some men are predatory. They don't wear special predator hats; we can't tell which men will do harm. So we've excluded them all.

That same argument should apply also to men claiming to be women, especially since they are even more likely to be harmful.

On the same data, too, 'trans women' are 18 times more likely than women to be sex offenders. So TWA definitely not W when it comes to the nature of their crimes!