To wonder why some women Aren’t upset about men being in their safe spaces?

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Why would we make it easier for men to be in our safe spaces? Don’t twist my words. This is not about being anti trans women - this is about men not being in women’s safe spaces. Why should women have to allow men in so as to ‘save their feelings’? What about women’s safety, feelings and wishes?

Given stories such as these - examples only but they quite clearly demonstrate the issue. As if anyone needs this. The stats are easily available.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/shana-grice-murder-stalking-police-sussex-a8862611.html?fbclid=IwAR0bJYAs849f0I9VFv7tHw3aguB5C8HZi3yyOMr4LxxIRURs0HBxrc_TxzE

And now the disappointing John Lewis (aka Stonewall) disaster.

https://www.jamesesses.com/p/the-trans-takeover-of-john-lewis

Who puts women first, apart from JKR and friends. It’s a limited list.

I'm not a usual poster turning up. In fact this is the first time I have posted on this issue.
I have lurked, listened, read and researched for years now, previously afraid to say anything lest I be labelled a transphobe or a bigot.

I've fucking had enough. What is happening is lunacy. Sexual assault destroys lives. We should not be taking a single fucking chance that girls or women will be assaulted or made to feel uncomfortable any more than they already are.

Are you not here then
Bloomin eck, did you only read half a post or only take half in or something?! 🤣
The other people being the other side so to speak (so that'd be you being one of them always here too, good of you to give yourself a shout out 😁)

Well that's you. FYI, my posts weren't aimed directly at you. One of the reasons I'm so focused on this is my 5 year old dd. I have watched this shit unravell over the last 5 or so years and it's only getting worse. I dread to imagine what it will be like when she's using spaces independently.

I’m laughing at you moaning so much about people posting on the topic whilst doing it yourself

Has anyone said they're more likely to if they wear a dress? they're just not less likely to. Predatory men will find it easier to do their thing now I am expected to be cool with males in lops, changing rooms, 'single sex' hospital wards, locked in cells with women. These changes have already facilitated assaults .

Bloody well said! And never be afraid to voice your opinion.

I’m laughing at you moaning so much about people posting on the topic whilst doing it yourself
Moaning so much 😁
I literally only said seems like they already have. That's it. 5 words 😁

In fairness, the OP was open about her reasons for posting and her concerns about a subject that's close to many people's hearts. If you don't think there's merit in her arguments, then it's fair to dispute them, or point out any flaws in the reasoning, or ignore the thread altogether, but I'm not really sure what purpose it serves to complain about the fact that this is something she clearly feels strongly about just because you don't. If you don't want to engage and aren't interested in the discussion then why post at all?

Indeed. Old Soots has said a few times now how uninteresting my threads are, so uninteresting she needs to comment again how uninteresting they are. Quite touching really.

💯.

I'm interested in who the MRAs are who've been referenced above.

Ha yes

This annoys me, if you want to do something about men attacking women it's overwhelmingly in people's homes with many contributing factors that you could campaign about. At the moment there is absolutely nothing to stop a predatory man being in a toilet or changing room but they choose other methods. Trans women in toilets and changing rooms must be terrified themselves half the time and all they want is a wee. They're very much at risk of violence themselves and additionally at risk of verbal abuse from wanting to try on clothes or use the toilet so I'd suggest you redirect your energy to some of the very real violence taking place right now.

Old Soots? Do you mean ILoveSooty?
The patronising of posters who don't agree is such a worn tired tactic.

Women are not human shields for these men.

I can completely understand how younger people, those under the age of 25, whose brains have not yet fully developed and are firmly under the influence of their peers and the associated pressure to fit in and follow what they're told on tiktok or whatever. Critical thinking skills have not yet fully developed there yet. I get it. (Not saying all young people btw)

But grown adults? It fucking blows my mind that some people cannot see the catastrophic consequences of where this is going. There are CLEAR stats, data, and so many horrible cases of women and girls being assaulted or worse. I find it actually extremely upsetting. What has happened?

OK, but the poster answered the question answered in the OP...

Might not even be a woman. I bet there are loads of trans identified men here who pour over the period, pregnancy and menopause posts
😂
Ooh hang on it's fast moving, you're a (I think this is what they're saying as doesn't sound like the type of poster to use trans men correctly)
that because you're not agreeing you must be a trans woman getting off on pregnancy and menopause posts?!
FFS 😁

They should campaign then for men to be more understanding of their trans status if they feel so scared to use such toilets. Or for third spaces.

Are there any stats available of how many of these toilet attacks that apparently take place? The irony of them being too scared to use the males then go into the women's and impose their maleness on women. It's not a women problem to solve.

I'm annoyed that women are constantly being told to "redirect their energy elsewhere".

If we want to do anything about men attacking women, we need to ensure everybody is singing from the same hymn sheet. So no self ID, only biological reality as has been and should be reflected in crime statistics.

There is no difference between trans identified males and all the other males. Physically or in terms of offending.

In actuality, in order to tackle all that stuff people say we should turn our attention to, we actually need to deal with this issue

What do you mean trans men? I don't usually use the term trans woman as I prefer to call them trans identified males/men.

It was kind of a joke, but seriously, it wouldn't surprise me.

I don't usually use the term trans woman as I prefer to call them trans identified males/men

Thought as much, thank you for clarifying though

You're very welcome. Women need to keep a firm grip on out language instead of handing it over to men.

Tories really are running scared aren't they.
Oh dear.
Off to read the thread but expecting the usual nonsense.
Of course women need single sex spaces at times, but trans women are not our enemy.