To think this is a vote winner (though not election clincher) from Sunak?

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Thought this was an impressive and clear response to the question, from Rishi. I suppose Labour will likely win by a landslide, because many people don’t care enough about women’s rights. Because I do care very much about women’s rights, I may vote Conservative for the first time ever (cue outrage for Lion). Will I regret it? Possibly. But I’d regret voting for Labour (aka women’s rights removers), even more.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

Just watched the Housing minister on tv.

It's same old Tory script with the words changed to match the topic.

We got "Labour run London" and "reasonably proportionate". I almost feel sorry for wales the country got demoted as a whole for the capital of a different country!

@ChlorineSalt couldn't agree more! The Tories just mock Labour with “we know what a woman is” like school children but do nothing to actually improve their lives. And yet it seems to be a vote winner for some.

As other PPs have said if you work frontline public services you will know that the last 14 years have made life immeasurably harder for the most vulnerable women in society. The tories might know what a woman is but they don’t give a flying fuck about them.

I've never voted Conservative, only ever Labour. I do think Sunak answers the question well here, and Labour's position on this issue is far worse.
I don't know if I can bring myself to vote Tory but you are not being unreasonable to suggest it makes it more likely.

To those saying merely knowing what a woman is isn't enough to be able to run a country, I'd flip that around and say that if you DON'T know what a woman is (or if you think the earth is flat or that Elvis lives on the moon) then that automatically precludes you from being fit to run a country.

do they really think we are too thick to notice

Judging by the blind support from certain quarters on here, not only do they think that but they appear to be correct.

@Underthinker And what difference do you think supposedly‘knowing what a woman is’ has made to the years of Tory governance of the country?

It means nothing when sex means actual sex plus pretend GRA sex. It makes no difference to me whether a male has a bit of paper lieing about his sex when he's invading my spaces. It's still a make. Labour are pulling the wool over your eyes. Don't fully for their misogynistic games.

That's so true. Also though, they don't give a fuck about men. Labour do care...about men but not women. Therein lies the problem in terms of who to vote for.

The Tories have had 14 years to improve lives of women but they have not done so. Therefore we need a change of government. I don’t like every single proposed policy of Labour but I’m more than willing to vote for them to get rid of the immoral, fraudulent party that is charge now.

For those people who think that the Tories are the party to support women, PLEASE remember this:

In the enquiry the government admitted that they didn't even consider the consequences of domestic violence during lockdowns. Not one of them even considered the possibility that lockdowns were putting women and children at risk.

And within that group of illustrious leaders? None other that Rishi fucking Sunak.

Quite frankly, none of them in any party are showing any signs of support for women - but please don't kid yourself that the tories are the best of a bad bunch because they really aren't

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/01/boris-johnson-unbelievably-bullish-over-covid-top-civil-servant-tells-inquiry

I think this is a big mistake to make. Some people genuinely are moving to the only party who isn't trying to erode the foundations on which women's rights could be built (I don't think Tories are women's hero but without the word woman meaning actual women, things can get a great deal worse for us). Labour need to not just assume that the only people saying this would not have voted for them anyway and actually hear that they are increasingly being seen as women haters. We need an overhaul of Labour leadership. Get rid of Starmer and his misogynistic cronies and let some ethical leaders in.

Labour is also immoral. I'm not disagreeing with you but don't pretend that the current Labour Party is moral. They take pride ind campaigning to remove women's protections. So immoral.

‘However we know with certainty that Labour will make it worse for women. Biological men will be allowed in to domestic violence shelters, rape crises centres, women’s prisons, women’s and girls changing rooms, girls toilets, women’s sport. And more’

We won’t have these services if we carry on with a Tory government. I’d rather fight for sex based rights within services that exist, than fight to get the services themselves funded!

I’m really torn. I hate Tory, I hate what they’ve done to this country for the past decade and a bit.

But the way they view women is a sticking point for me.

Our seat always swings between Labour/ Tory so I’ll have to think carefully

Good point, Labour it is then

Labour are doing their best to prevent anyone being able to do that. The word woman will be meaningless, speaking out against misogyny a hate crime. Tories will not get rid of all toilets, changing rooms and prisons but Labour will force them all to be moxed sex and will harass the women who object to that.

This is some next level tinpot, tin foil hat stuff.

Labour are doing their best to prevent anyone being able to do that. The word woman will be meaningless, speaking out against misogyny a hate crime. Tories will not get rid of all toilets, changing rooms and prisons but Labour will force them all to be moxed sex and will harass the women who object to that.

Where's the proof of any of that?

‘Labour are doing their best to prevent anyone being able to do that. The word woman will be meaningless, speaking out against misogyny a hate crime. Tories will not get rid of all toilets, changing rooms and prisons but Labour will force them all to be moxed sex and will harass the women who object to that.’

There is a huge gender critical movement within the Labour Party itself. Kier Stamer knows this. He’s treading a very difficult line. They’d be an outcry if he just embraced this nonsense. This is hyperbole at its finest.

I don't think you've been following what they're saying. Effective self ID makes all spaces mixed sex.

You're narrow-minded if you attack the messenger and not the message. That supposedly 'left wing' outlets are not reporting these things should give you pause for thought. Should.

For fuck’s sake. We’re on the brink of WW3; half the world is on fire and the Gulf Stream is close to collapse; food and housing is becoming a luxury that only wealthy people can afford; we’ve struggled through a global pandemic while our government floundered; we’re waiting years for urgent medical treatment; mothers cannot afford to go to work while at the same time cannot afford not to work; there will be no state pensions for our children; half our public services have disappeared over the past 14 years and those remaining are on the verge of implosion.

But the single biggest issue facing our nation right now is that Marjorie might (heavy emphasis on ‘might’) theoretically one day encounter a cock in the M&S changing rooms. I truly despair. 🤦🏻‍♀️

I genuinely don't think many women will vote Tory because of this issue. It seems like there will be a lot because you are in an echo chamber on here or on Twitter etc. Most people will not prioritise this issue when voting.

I dislike the Labour Party's current approach and will be raising that with my local candidate. However, I see no point in voting for the Tories simply because they appear to know what a woman is, because I have no confidence in their ability or commitment to protect women's rights. They have just identified this as a quick way of grabbing a few votes but there is no evidence at all that they actually care about women in the real world.

We've had 14 years of Tory rule. Would you say that things have got better for women in the UK during this period? Actions speak louder than words.

But yes, I do agree that the Labour Party needs new leadership. That's a separate issue though.

Only cis women though, so apparently that makes it all fine.