To think this is a vote winner (though not election clincher) from Sunak?

[Lion400]

Thought this was an impressive and clear response to the question, from Rishi. I suppose Labour will likely win by a landslide, because many people don’t care enough about women’s rights. Because I do care very much about women’s rights, I may vote Conservative for the first time ever (cue outrage for Lion). Will I regret it? Possibly. But I’d regret voting for Labour (aka women’s rights removers), even more.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

How many assaults is an acceptable amount?
A transwoman sexually assaulted a child in female toilets near where I live. They should never have thought it acceptable to be in there in the first place.

Found it! https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/this-never-happens

Another it will never happen resource.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

It is quite easy to google a few stats.

The 2021 census found that around 48,000 people in England and Wales identified as trans women,

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/2021-census-what-do-we-know-about-the-lgbt-population/#:~:text=Around%20262%2C000%20people%20(0.5%25),identity%20as%20'trans%20woman'.

As of March 2021 in England and Wales in the men’s estate, there were 87 transgender women with a conviction for at least one sexual offence. In the women’s estate, the number of transgender women with a conviction for at least one sexual offence was fewer than 5. This includes prisoners with a GRC.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2022-01-06.98878.h#:~:text=On%20current%20offences%2C%20in%20the,includes%20prisoners%20with%20a%20GRC.

Who is this person? Which pronoun do they expect

Thank you. And what percentage of males assault women? I guess if we knew that, and we also knew average number of victims per assultative male, we could start to get a good idea of the number of women hot is prepared to throw under the bus.

@izimbra did you mean to quote me there?
As I seem to be in agreement with you on here 😕

Ironically, this is from the group of posters who claimed that people they disagreed with were desperate for the thread to end. Obviously, just repeatedly posting "myth!" and nothing else, is a sign of someone eager to engage in a productive discussion.

How can that not be true? Serious question, would be great if you would actually answer it.

If you look at those 'it will never happen resources' and want whichever political party to ensure the law protects single sex spaces so that these males can't enter them please do lobby your prospective candidates on this issue now.

That way no one can claim that women are not talking about it. Or it is not important enough to protect vulnerable women.

Perhaps hothead believes the likes of Karen White (pictured up thread) really is a woman?

Mind bogging. That's a man who is a convicted sex offender who has used gender ideology to further his aims of harming women by using it to access single sex spaces that should be reserved for women.

And before anyone accuses me of misgendering this individual MN rules allow the correct sexing of sex offenders. Thank goodness. No woman should be forced to lie about any man's sex.

We might get the 'not real trans' retort but no one has bothered to explain the difference. I think we have to rely on Nicola Sturgeon telling us. How long foe her to assess the 48,000 trans people in the Uk?

That would be a ladeeee of course. 'She'.

There were around 11, 873 men in prison for sexual offences in 2021

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/61788c68d3bf7f55fa926b27/OMSQ_Q2_2021.pdf

I am not sure what the adult male population is, but I think it is about 21 or 22 million?

Maths is not my strong point but I think these figures mean that trans women might actually be slightly less likely to commit sexual offences than the male population generally?

I think it's clear that @hotinhereandthere has decided to derail and end the thread by just posting "myth!" repeatedly. I have reported to mnhq, but whether this behaviour is actually covered by the rules I don't know. Certainly, it's both childish and cowardly.

No that's not what the stats show and I don't think many sexual assaults lead to prison time. sadly.

A year ago

Unfortunately, debunking a myth involves more than just posting "myth!". You do actually need to have an argument. Hope this helps, as you're currently making yourself look like an idiot.

Still waiting for the myths to be debunked.

Could you explain why you support male sex offenders being locked up with mostly vulnerable women? Would you be happy for a vulnerable relative - or yourself - to be in that situation?

How can you possibly think that could ever be ok? How much contempt must you have for women who aren't as privileged as you?

I think you are right re: stats. I said maths was not my strong point!

And yes it is true that many sexual assaults don't lead to prison time or even prosecutions.

This male , Katy Dolotowski, was later housed in a woman's prison then a woman's refuge in Yorkshire.

This is after he sexually assaulted the 2 girls in the women's toilets.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23288103.fm-new-pressure-trans-paedophile-sent-womens-prison/

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/politics/sex-offender-stayed-in-leeds-womens-refuge-for-71-days-as-campaigners-protest-leeds-council-over-scandal-3920683

@IClaudine I'm sure a decent person, please think about what you are advocating for means for the women trapped in these situations.

Totallymessedup where I have I said I support that? I don't.

Someone asked about the stats and I looked them up, linked to them and quoted them The wording is from Victoria Atkins, not me. Here is the whole excerpt:

Victoria Atkins The Minister of State, Ministry of Justice, Minister for Afghan resettlement As of our latest data collection on 31 March 2021, there were 146 transgender women (that is, prisoners who were legally male and identified as female) in all prisons across England and Wales.
Of these, fewer than five transgender prisoners were housed in the women’s estate. These figures do not include transgender prisoners with gender recognition certificates, although information on these individuals will be published early this year.
On the offences committed by individuals, we are only able to provide figures for the offence or offences that have led to an individual’s current imprisonment. To provide offence information for previous convictions would involve a complex data matching exercise which would exceed the prohibitive cost threshold for responding to a Parliamentary Question. Previous convictions, along with other relevant information, are considered, however, as part of the risk assessment set out in the Care and Management of Individuals who are Transgender Policy 2019.
On current offences, in the men’s estate, there were 87 transgender women with a conviction for at least one sexual offence. In the women’s estate, the number of transgender women with a conviction for at least one sexual offence was fewer than 5. This includes prisoners with a GRC.
Where transgender prisoners with GRCs are deemed too high risk to be held in the general women's estate, they can be held on E Wing, part of HMP Downview. This allows them to be held separately with only supervised contact with other women.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2022-01-06.98878.h#:~:text=On%20current%20offences%2C%20in%20the,includes%20prisoners%20with%20a%20GRC.^ ^

This is the guide for prison inmates advising them on how to apply for a GRC while they are in prison.

https://www.prisonersadvice.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/PAS-TRANSGENDER-TOOLKIT-PDF-VERSION.pdf

So potentially sex offenders can find their transgender identity and be legal women by the time they are released.

Then they cannot be excluded (as the law currently stands) from Single Sex Spaces for women.