To think this is a vote winner (though not election clincher) from Sunak?

[Lion400]

Thought this was an impressive and clear response to the question, from Rishi. I suppose Labour will likely win by a landslide, because many people don’t care enough about women’s rights. Because I do care very much about women’s rights, I may vote Conservative for the first time ever (cue outrage for Lion). Will I regret it? Possibly. But I’d regret voting for Labour (aka women’s rights removers), even more.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

Sorry about the typos - waiting on my cataracts getting done . Early onset . Can't afford private and why should I ? I love the NHS . It breaks my heartbwhat the Tories have done to it !

Why blame potential future Labour government for what is already happening under the current long term Conservative government and then say you will vote for them for that reason? Does sound very logical to me.

@ghostyslovesheets

So do take your torybot flag waving elsewhere

I've got no particular political allegiance, but I want a change in Government... The Tories need to go.

However, posts like yours make me think "a plague on all your houses". Demonising and disparaging anyone who expresses a contrary opinion and viewing everything through some idiotic tribal lens is what will unpick this country at the seams, whether it's from the left or right. I'm less likely to support Labour after posts like this and other similar ones.

I'm as GC as they come, but no, it isn't a vote winner for me. I'm not so gullible as to think that the Tories won't be far worse for women in the long run, regardless of knowing what a woman actually is.

I honestly don't think this will actually persuade anyone to vote Tory who wasn't going to anyway, but it will probably give those who have already decided to vote Tory a reason to pat themselves on the back and feel less guilty about it.

I don't understand why you don't watch GB News, if you're happy to link to it? What's wrong with it?

I mean, I know why I think it's a despicable and dangerous new clickbait trash element in UK media that I won't touch, but you're happy to link to it. Why don't you watch it?

I will not be voting Tory on an issue which barely affects my day to day life or the vast majority of those around me. I will give anyone else a chance to try and improve the NHS and education in this country.

It seems crazy to me that so many will vote Tory because something they are saying about women simply to win votes, rather than because of something tangible that they will do for this country. Credit to the tories though; they have brainwashed many like the OP to vote for them by just mentioning this women issue. No effort on their part needed at all!

To answer your question OP, I’m afraid although I sadly agree and am GC myself I cannot and would not vote Conservative. They have been advised to take that stance as they know it will split votes. From the pandemic onwards Conservative ministers have been lying to us on everything that matters. You can’t make a voting decision because a liar has said something you agree with.

I'm finding this thread so heartening. Despite not knowing anyone in real life who would vote the tories back in, often these threads are full of people blinkered to this single issue and it always gives me the fear that they may get back in. I'm feeling encouraged by an overwhelming lack of support for them here!

When you eventually do get them done, have a look what Labour have done to the NHS in Wales.

1. GB News is little more than propaganda;
2. Sunak & Co will say literally anything for votes, with no idea (or even intention) of carrying out their promises.

If you choose to believe anything on that channel or anything the Tories say, that's entirely your prerogative, but I'd not vote for them on the basis of any of it.

Not read the whole thread - sorry @Lion400 - but can you summarise what your OP is about please? Twitter is blocked on this device, and I'm damned if I'm getting my phone out and going to all the trouble of finding this thread on there when you could just have stated in a few words what new policy Sunak's come out with now. Given that you've started a whole thread about it, it doesn't seem like much to ask!

Oh, right. Because clearly Labour's been responsible for funding levels of Welsh public services over the last decade and a half. Why haven't they just jacked up taxes in their small and impoverished part of the UK to higher levels than those just across the border in wealthier England. I can't think what possible downsides that could have had. 🙄

Agree

However we know with certainty that Labour will make it worse for women. Biological men will be allowed in to domestic violence shelters, rape crises centres, women’s prisons, women’s and girls changing rooms, girls toilets, women’s sport. And more

They already are. Labour aren't in power

This is exactly my position too.

Sorry I thought I’d been clear. To put it bluntly. They don’t think women can have penises.
Neither do I, but I think I'd need a bit more than that to make me fit to run the country.

If GB News is so awful, why did RMW go on it? Wasn't #nodebate and a "veil of secrecy" the MO? Or has that failed so badly, that the TRAs now need to chase the PM round the studios in the hope of a gotcha?

I think we should be told.

I agree with op and decided this a while ago. I would likely have voted Labour in this GE to rid my area of SNP. Following the GRR bill in Scotland, I will however vote Conservative. Any vote for Labour - or SNP for that matter, is a vote for child abuse and against womens rights.

YANBU.

There's no point in Labour voters trying to use the 'they care more about women with their policies' - to them women are a mixed sex group with the most important women being the male ones. They can't even identify the group, never mind target policies at them, and they would like to arrest and charge women for stating factual reality that disadvantages and excludes them.

Labour would embrace this policy which already sees women from vulnerable groups including women of minority faiths and cultures, disabled women, homosexual women, abused and traumatised women, women with literacy barriers and who struggled to access education excluded from any women's resources so that men may have women's services focused primarily on them and the full freedom of choice of all the resources to best fit their self expression - Labour were supposed to be the champions of these oppressed groups and were once. They aren't now. Largely because they are full on in hock to extremist lobby groups.

I can choose between a party that is full on in favour of destroying women's rights and imprisoning those who protest, and in destroying child safeguarding, in the name of furthering male sexual freedoms and rights, or a party that is at least dragging it's feet and starting to talk openly about the need to ensure everyone's rights are met, and to say that sex matters when it comes to women's safety and child safeguarding. They are the only party doing this.

It's no good either saying all this happened on their watch: this political lobby took everyone in. Where were Labour on the opposition benches providing the balance and sense to the government of the time if they were more clear sighted and caring about the impact upon all other groups' equalities?

@Lion400 are you going to post again when this one gets filled up?

The Tory party have had 14 YEARS to do what you want them to do and they haven't done it. What they have done is push through policy that disproportionately affects women and makes life worse for them. They may very well be able to shout that they KNOW WHAT A WOMAN IS!!! during PMQ's but if you think that means they give a shiny shit about them then I don't really know what to tell you. It's fairly obvious to anyone with eyes, ears and a functioning brain that the wind in the Tory party is blowing in a very distinct direction and if it continues that way, which I suspect it will, then they will use 'knowing what a woman is' to make life very difficult for them.

But sure, vote for a party that has decimated the country and ran its services into the ground, a party who would reinstate a leader who (allegedly) after his wedding described himself as having 'buyers remorse' in a heartbeat if they thought they could swing it, who have introduced policy after policy that negatively affects the day to day lives of women, who got rid of sure start centres, introduced the two child cap, have overseen an increase in infant and maternal mortality rates, the woeful state of rape convictions, maternity care, the list goes on and on and on! To vote for that party, based on one issue that they aren't going to do anything about is like turkeys voting for Christmas. They've had a decade and a half and they've done diddly squat. They don't care.

You can't divorce it from the source. The fact the he chose a notoriously misogynist platform to make a cynical play for bigots' votes - because that is who they appeal to - tells you all you need to know about how genuine his views on this are.

If he really wanted to do something for the feminist cause, he has been at or close to the top of government for four years and has done fuck all. Why would you have any faith in anything changing in future?

What makes you think that rape crisis centres and domestic violence shelters will even continue to exist under the Tories? How will losing them make things better for women?

The Tories don’t give a single tiny squeaky little Rishi shit about women’s rights and anybody who thinks they do is either totally deluded or a Tory anyway and just looking for an excuse to vote for a party of monsters.