To think this is a vote winner (though not election clincher) from Sunak?

[Lion400]

Thought this was an impressive and clear response to the question, from Rishi. I suppose Labour will likely win by a landslide, because many people don’t care enough about women’s rights. Because I do care very much about women’s rights, I may vote Conservative for the first time ever (cue outrage for Lion). Will I regret it? Possibly. But I’d regret voting for Labour (aka women’s rights removers), even more.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

That's a revolting post. Actually Majorie WILL encounter cocks but also she may be raped by a male in a womens space (because saying you'rea woman doesnt change male patten offending), then denied single sex rape crisis support (meaning there is nothing accessible for her) she may be locked in a prison cell with a make, she will no longer have any chance of winning any sports and there will be no stays which reliably demonstrate her oppression. It's disgusting to pretend this is all about seeing a cock in a changing room as well as being disgusting to think that you can override women's consent as regards that.

Everything @Menomeno says!

I don’t think some people realise how down the list this issue is for the VAST majority of people.

I consider myself GC but this is honestly the LAST thing I’ll be thinking about when it’s time to vote.

And when Labour get in (cross fingers) it will no doubt be the can kicked down the road because it’s a political minefield! Just look at what happened to the SNP.

Oh god no, they've definitely got worse the last 14 years but when you look at how much worse things are in blatantly misogynistic societies, it makes me fear how much worse things csn get if we let the proudly anti women labour party in. Sadly lib dem and green are equal MRAs.

It's not fine to call women cis. Most don't subscribe to that ideology so you're misgendering. I'm sure Tories would call TW totty if they didn't look like men. No one is saying they're a model party.

I can't figure our how to edit but this is supposed to say 'no stats' not 'not stays'.

Hallelujah. @Menomeno for PM.

@SoreAndTired1
Ah yes, you’re right of course - ok, I have paused….and I still think GB News is a dangerous, hate filled pile of shite desperate to keep this despicable government in by any means. Thanks for the tip though.

And I don't think you've been following what the Tories have been doing.

Plunging more women and children into poverty thanks to austerity, which disproportionately affects women. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1369148119864699

Mass closure of services like Sure Start. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/16/sure-start-numbers-plummet-as-cuts-hit-childrens-services

Forcing mothers to use foodbanks to feed their children thanks to severe benefit restrictions. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/apr/18/almost-one-in-10-parents-very-likely-to-use-uk-food-bank-in-next-three-months

See above for disabled individuals, among whom women are disproportionately represented. https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/three-quarters-people-referred-trussell-trust-food-banks-report-they-or-member-their-household

Swinging cuts to NHS budgets which means more women unemployed (NHS staff are disproportionately women) and huge additional burdens on unpaid carers (women). https://www.ageuk.org.uk/latest-press/articles/2023/1.2m-unpaid-carers-aged-50-say-their-health-has-deteriorated-over-the-last-12-months/

The decimation of the court system so that rape victims are waiting years for trials, leading to an ever-increasing number of women dropping rape trials during the Conservative's tenancy https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/may/30/nearly-70-of-victims-drop-out-of-investigations-in-england-and-wales

Life for women under the conservative party is shit. Especially for women who are poor, ill, disabled. But a vocal minority are very happy to throw these women under the bus.

I’m under no illusion that the tories care particularly about women. Will they make things better for women, doubt it

Then why vote for them? You know there are more parties than just the Conservatives and Labour, don't you?

I can't understand why anyone would vote Tory now, after the damage they have done to this country, let alone switch from another party to vote for them for the first time. I genuinely don't get it. What more do they have to do before people say enough is enough?

@Lion400 - The Conservative party has had the past 13 years to do something about LGBT+ rights, why do you think that it's becoming a priority for them now? Could it be because there is an election planned for sometime in 2024 and they are grasping at straws to try to hold on to some seats following that election?

My opinion is that if LGBT+ rights have not been a priority for this party up to now, they will not be a priority following an election. They break their election promises and they've had 13 years to do something about LGBT+ rights up to now but haven't done anything.

Lastly - don't use GB News as your source to back up your point. If they are the only place that is reporting this as a story, do you think there might be a reason why that is?

I clicked on this thread making a bet with myself that it was the same old, same old 'Labour doesn't know what a woman is' bot thread. Yawn.

As pp have said, the Tories have done nothing for women.

There is nothing that will make any of us vote Tory, even this arguement. Because they have been monumentally shit and stolen ours and our childrens futures with their own greed and strategic incompetence.

Get over it.

Have the Tory party not considered why the only people who will vote for them is the very wealthy, or elderly incel types who can barely string a sentence together? You reap what you sow.

Life for women under the conservative party is shit. Especially for women who are poor, ill, disabled. But a vocal minority are very happy to throw these women under the bus.

Say it louder for the people in the back!

While you’re all arguing over which steaming pile of shit to choose, I’m wondering why we only have a choice of piles of shit to choose from and not a choice that isn’t a pile of shit.

Why are we in a position where all of the political parties are pushing misogynistic policies and selling women’s rights down the river?

How have we got here and why are we standing for it?

I’m GC but would never vote Tory. Like fuck are they a party good for women. Bridget Christie’s joke from back in 2012 springs to mind:

“I’ve been trying to work out what a Tory feminist is, because I keep seeing photographs of female Tory MPs in the newspapers, wearing T-shirts with ‘This is what a feminist looks like’ on them. What, like a T-shirt? How can a T-shirt look like a feminist? A T-shirt looks like a T-shirt, doesn’t it? It should say, ‘This is what a T-shirt with “This is what a feminist looks like” written on it looks like.’
That’s what it says on the front, anyway, of the Tory feminists’ T-shirts that they’re all wearing now. And on the back it says, ‘Not really, I’m a Tory, you gullible dick.’
Then underneath that it says, ‘I axed the health in pregnancy grant. I closed Sure Start centres.’ That one’s got a smiley face next to it. ‘I cut child benefit and slashed tax credits. I shut down shelters for battered wives and children. I cut rape counselling and legal aid.’ Winking face.
‘I cut funding for CCTV cameras and street lighting, making women much more vulnerable. I closed down all 23 specialist domestic violence courts. I cut benefits for disabled children.’ Sad face with sunglasses on. ‘I tried to amend the abortion act so that women receive one-to-one abortion counselling from the pope before they go ahead with it.’ Winking face with tongue out. The back is much longer than the front, by the way. It’s a tailcoat, basically. They’re wearing tailcoats.

This ⬆️

Yes I know. Shocking that Labour manage to fuck up to the degree that some women think they're more dangerous.

I'd say it's made very little difference to country over the last 14 years to have known what a woman is. Likewise it hasn't made much difference that Cameron, May, Johnson & Sunak knew the earth was spherical, because until recently opposition MPs also knew these things, and they weren't considered contentious.

Enough is enough. But all parties are anti women. The Tories are shocking but that doesn't mean Labour aren't.

You seem to have very poor comprehension. Everyone knows Tories have failed to undo the damage Labour started with the GRA. That's not the question people are asking. The question is, to half quote a PP, which steaming pile of women hating shit will do the least damage going forwards, in both the short term (clearly Tory) and long term (I think Labour).

The way I see it, you just have to vote tactically to get out the one you think is the worst.

This current government have proven themselves to be an absolute pile of shit and I dread to think how much worse they would be if they got in again and realised they can basically do whatever the fuck they want and bring the country to its knees and people will still vote them in.

I'd rather give another party a go.

I will as usual not be voting for either of them, but voting for the people who've presided over and allowed all the things you've hated for the last 15 years seems bizarrely trusting.

Suddenly they care about things they consider fringe issues when they know they're going to need the fringe votes.

Right wing media was willing to report on the conflict between women's rights and unreasonable demands from trans women (medical and intimate care, sports etc.) Left wing media wasn't. You seldom agree or disagree with anybody on everything, so the argument about sources is effectively an ad hominem.

Labour have not shown themselves as friends to women on this issue.

We just went into recession and are 5% poorer than we would be had we stayed in the EU, so winning the next election is a poisoned chalice. I would quite like to vote for The Party of Women because she's clear on what she wants, and I am clear I want that too. I don't expect to agree with KJK on many many issues, but I have to vote for a party which I agree with on my biology. The alternative is dystopian.

This.