To think this is a vote winner (though not election clincher) from Sunak?

[Lion400]

Thought this was an impressive and clear response to the question, from Rishi. I suppose Labour will likely win by a landslide, because many people don’t care enough about women’s rights. Because I do care very much about women’s rights, I may vote Conservative for the first time ever (cue outrage for Lion). Will I regret it? Possibly. But I’d regret voting for Labour (aka women’s rights removers), even more.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

I said that too - in relation and context of labour trashing them. There’s no point pulling little quotes out without context. It weakens one’s point.

How will they 'make it worse'? I am a Labour member - all be it quietly the last few years due to my GC views I don't actively door knock etc - but the FIGHT around gender ID is ongoing - it's NOT a single party issue and it is certainly about the right riding in to save women. It's way more nuanced and it's a fight that wont stop because we have a new government - but the Tories have done NOTHING about it either have they?

So do take your torybot flag waving elsewhere

No it shows how you’re contradicting yourself - which weakens your point.

I said:
Obviously if you're watching that channel you're unlikely to support Labour.

You, after telling me to "grow up" because you thought you'd said you didn't actually watch it (but you hadn't said it til my post) later said:

It’s more that Labour will make it worse for women (for reasons I’ve mentioned above), I’m afraid.

Thus absolutely proving my point.

For goodness sake.
Are we in the playground ‘torybot waving flag’???
Really.
I despair.
I used to be a member of the Labour Party too. I’ve only ever voted for Labour before. But who cares about that when one can jump on a bandwagon.

What?

We don’t know any of those things for certain though. Labour’s view is that sex matters. So. They are saying what you want said, and have a better general attitude to issues which disproportionally affect women. So YABU in many fronts.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/26/labour-grassroots-back-starmer-gender-self-identification

But who cares about that when one can jump on a bandwagon yep -the Tory Party!

What exactly have they done in 14 years to shore up women's rights? Saying women don;t have a penis ? What else?

‘A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps or gives credibility to a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with said person or organization’.

Nope, that’s not me.

And bingo. These threads will appear approximately 3 times a week til the next GE. And they are always initiated by alleged ex Labour Party members who despite the huge ideological differences are prepared to ditch their values and their conscience and vote for the tories. Labour aren’t perfect but the tories record is abysmal.
Awaits the hoards from over there rocking up to defend OP….

‘The party shifted its stance in the summer, abandoning its support for self-identification – which would allow people to legally change gender without a medical diagnosis’

Yes, I’m so glad they u turned on this, a move in the right direction for sure. Not enough though.

Agree with every word and the Tory’s have been in power for 13 years and let the shit show which is the attack on women’s rights, happen. It’s ALL on their watch.

Yeah I know.

It's quite insulting to think women don't have enough critical thinking skills to look at the wider picture.

The bi election we had recently I did not door knock or actively campaign but I did fold leaflets, made tea and drove people around - why - because I do not agree with Labours view on gender but I do agree on everything else - and I know the Tory party don't give a tiny rats wank about people like me - regardless of their sex

Oh and they LOST that seat - to a woman

2 of Labour's manifesto items are improving access to, and reducing the cost of, school wraparound care and:

"We will introduce new specialist domestic abuse workers in 999 control rooms and put specialist rape investigation units in every force across England and Wales – so that early opportunities for prevention and protection are not missed."

Bloody woman haters. How dare they. They should be focussing on the biggest threat to women, which is clearly transwomen and not the violent men some women live with.

It’s not enough to say that sex matters and sex as a protected characteristic will remain in the Equality Act and that self ID doesn’t allow access to women’s spaces?
What do you want then?
I suspect it’s a Tory government, for reasons which have fuck all to do with women.

Taken from another poster who put it clearly.

‘So the current legal position which the Labour Party does not intend to change states that single sex provisions for women are for WOMEN and MEN WITH A GRC THAT STATE THAT THEY ARE LEGAL WOMEN.

So single sex spaces are in fact mixed sex.

Add to that that no provider can require a copy of a GRC (with very limited exceptions) and hey presto - you have self ID through the back door.

Edited to clarify that the term biological woman has no basis in law. the words do not even appear in the Equality Act’.

No, its not enough.

@Lion400 you keep dodging the question - but please - all of this shit show attack on women's rights has happened under a Tory Gov - what have they actually done to inspire you to believe they give a shit?

Sorry I thought I’d been clear. To put it bluntly. They don’t think women can have penises.

It will sway very few people's votes.

I am GC, but other issues take priority right now, and I think that's true of most people.

No neither do I - but you are saying the Tory party will do 'something' labour wont - well they have had 13+ years in power - during which time women's rights have been eroded - so what please have they done to make you think they care?

I think you are correct. It is a single issue and it is swaying my vote, but I’m obviously in the minority. Can only hope they will come round to scientific fact and protect women in safe spaces, sports etc etc (no need to rehash) sooner rather than later.

@Lion400 You'd really sleep much more peacefully if you just accepted that you're not alone in your supporting the tories. Great sections of the population are just like you hence the tories keep winning with apparently no discernible voters (apart from the true blue types). Grasping at straws with the 'but they know what a woman is therefore they care about women' argument won't ease the cognitive dissonance. Only accepting it will. It comes to something when the party of women had to be bulldozed by a millionaire footballer to feed the kids.