To think this is a vote winner (though not election clincher) from Sunak?

[Lion400]

Thought this was an impressive and clear response to the question, from Rishi. I suppose Labour will likely win by a landslide, because many people don’t care enough about women’s rights. Because I do care very much about women’s rights, I may vote Conservative for the first time ever (cue outrage for Lion). Will I regret it? Possibly. But I’d regret voting for Labour (aka women’s rights removers), even more.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

Where have I advocated for trans women convicted of sexual offences to be housed in the women's estate? I haven't and I don't.

Sorry I meant I'm sure you are a decent person @IClaudine . Please think about these women, they need your support. If you have any power in the Labour party, please work to make sure the most vulnerable women are thought of. They are unlikely to be out canvassing, or even maybe to vote, but they need and deserve protection.

So do you think that trans women who are not sexual offenders should be in women's prisons IClaudine?

I would very much like you to retract the accusation that I support male sex offenders being locked up with "mostly vulnerable women" or any women. I have not done that on this or any other thread.

The government have backtracked (not far enough in my opinion) on males in women's prisons. Only castrated males will be allowed in the female prison estate, and violent males and sex offenders will not be allowed in women's prisons.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-transgender-prisoner-policy-comes-into-force

This goes some way to protect women. But castrated males are still male. I doubt the women were consulted on this.

On this thread we have been told that the Tories have done nothing to protect women. This is untrue. The prison policy above proves it is untrue as does the new schools guidance.

The measures that the current government have put in place do not go far enough to protect vulnerable women but as we are in the stage of 'debunking myths', I thought in the interest of fairness this should be pointed out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67754359

It. Was. Not. Me. Who. Said. That. It. Was. Victoria. Atkins.

I cut and pasted her response to Tim Loughton word for word, as another poster was asking about what the stats were.

You need to complain to Victoria Atkins about the wording of the response not to me.

Here is the link once again for clarity:

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2022-01-06.98878.h#:~:text=On%20current%20offences%2C%20in%20the,includes%20prisoners%20with%20a%20GRC.

So Iclaudine do you think other males, non sex offenders who identify as trans women should be in women's prisons? I asked this upthread?

IClaudine
Someone asked about the stats and I looked them up, linked to them and quoted them

In fact you misquoted initially - you chopped off; On current offences... from the start of your quote.

One last time as the thread's nearly finished and no-one else will be reading anyway, @IClaudine if you are a significant person in the Labour party, please try and make sure that the most vulnerable women don't get forgotten about. I'm not bothering to @ the others as they clearly don't care about anything other than point scoring.

I should add that in the context of your quote that was an important piece of information to miss out - as previous convictions for sexual offences were not counted.

Biological men with penis and testicles DO belong in the mens. They are safe in the mens, as many gay men and a few transwomen have said, the worst they might get is a smirk. That's it. The LIE that these men are 'not safe' in the mens, is a gaslighting LIE. Women are not human shields for men, so if they aren't safe in the mens (and we know they are very safe in the mens), then that's an issue for MEN to solve. Not an issue for women to solve. Not our issue, not our problem. I am not a human shield for a man with penis and testicles.

How did keeping males out of female spaces work for DECADES AND DECADES until now?

That's how. Return to that.

Edited to add that there has been a 6000% (6 thousand percent) increase in students claiming to be trans. It's more like 3% to 5% of the population is trans. So, how many is enough for the threat to be real to you? We know they offend at 6 times greater the rate than so-called 'cis' men do. We know there have been a couple of hundred attacks on women by transwomen in these spaces already. HOW MANY, is enough for you to realise they pose harm to women our spaces? How many will it take you to realise this is a serious problem? For me, ONE IS ONE TOO MANY!

The fact that you can't understand these transwomen are MEN with COCKS AND BALLS shows you genuinely believe people can change sex and a man who calls himself a woman is entitled to our spaces. Your language gives your agenda away.

Transwomen, are men. This is a fact. They don't ever stop being men. Ever. It's not actually even possible.

Btw, it's not just safety, it's womens rights to privacy and dignity away from the male gaze.

Men. Say it. Men. Transwomen are men. And they are not 'marginalised'. On the contrary, they are the most privileged, most protected and most powerful group out. Marginalised my fucking arse!!

https://thecritic.co.uk/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable/

If a male with Autogynephilia felt slighted because women enforced their rights as a sex class, then he's narcissistic. No male has the right to gaslight womens lived reality and what they see, to prop up his delusions. The rights and NEEDS of women and girls are more important than a narcissist's need for 'validation'.

Your objections are only to trans women not trans men, apparently.

Well, duh! You totally miss the point! Transwomen are men, so pose a threat. Transmen are women, and pose no threat.

That this needs to even be explained shows how ignorant some are, and how they don't realise that men are more dangerous to women than women are.

You're really asking how the likes of Lia Thomas walking about with his penis and testicles on show in front of his fellow female team-mates, which is basically INDECENT EXPOSURE, doesn't hurt women??? ?

Saying she doesn't believe women should have our safe single sex spaces away from male bodies IS deeply and utterly abhorrent and repulsive.

It's about sharing toilets with MALES. MALES. M.A.L.E.S!

And, sorry to burst your bubble, but Google the polls, specifically YouGov. When asked and when it's clarified to people that it means male bodies with penis and testicles in women and girls spaces, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of women are against it.

Would you refer to an anorexic woman as fat in their earshot because they think they're fat? It's the same thing.

And NO, women do not need to be GASLIT to call a man a woman. I don't care if the narcissist male is 'upset or embarrassed'. I only care that the rights of women are upheld and women are not gaslit to deny sex-based reality to appease a misogynist narcissist male.

The existence of MEN in womens spaces disadvantages all women. What do you not understand, about this?

We have MALE and FEMALE spaces, for a reason. Any male body in our spaces HURTS WOMEN.

@SoreAndTired1

We know they offend at 6 times greater the rate than so-called 'cis' men do.

Is this an error? I did see a 2003 study that found that "MtF transitioners were over 6 times more likely to be convicted of an offence than female comparators and 18 times more likely to be convicted of a violent offence. The group had no statistically significant differences from other natal males, for convictions in general or for violent offending." (Cecilia Dhejne, Paul Lichtenstein, Marcus Boman, Anna L. V. Johansson, Niklas Långström, Mikael Landén (2011) Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885)