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Step daughters behaviour - AIBU or is my partner?

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LoopyHarry · 10/02/2024 21:14

I will preface by saying that 90% of the time, my step daughters are lovely. We have a great relationship and I love them very much. However, they are now late teens and at an age where there is some attitude, back chat, rudeness etc. I don’t want this thread to start lambasting them, my issue is with my partner.

I will start by I am quite sensitive and a non-confrontational person. I do get upset quite easily, especially at the moment as I have a young baby and I am very sleep deprived. I do accept that I could have perhaps handled these situations better, perhaps been more assertive or authoritarian. I am quite a fair bit younger compared to their dad (20s) and I came into the relationship when they were already older (12+). My relationship with them has always been that of an aunt / sister, as anything else felt inappropriate.

A few months ago, I took both my step daughters out for a day at a spa. It was expensive but I wanted to do something fun and treat them. Within half an hour of getting to the spa, both of them began to bicker and argue with one another. I tried to diffuse the situation as best I could and distract them, however, it resulted in one of them hitting the other in the middle of the spa. At that point I told the one who had hit the other off. For the rest of the day, the one who had been told off didn’t speak, answering with one word, being short and rude in her responses, and there was an awful atmosphere. Not only was it awful in the spa itself, but the hour long car ride home was spent sat in silence.

I told my partner who spoke to them and assured me it wouldn’t happen again.

Fast forward to a few months later, today I had arranged to meet some close family friends in town. We were to leave early in the morning so it tied in with the baby’s feed and nap, and my step daughters were also keen to go shopping before we met the family friends. I already felt a little anxious organising all of this because of what had happened last time. My partner has a hobby on a Saturday, and before he left this morning, he spoke to both of them about what had happened last time and reminded them of behaviour expectations. About ten minutes after he left, an argument started over a jacket that they both wanted to wear. It got progressively louder and worse, and we were at the point of needing to go. They then asked me what I thought, and I said that the one who was already wearing the jacket should wear it and we could always have a look for a similar one in town for the other girl. At that point, my step daughter who I hadn’t sided with, began to rant about how unfair it was, that she had nothing to wear, we’d ruined her outfit, and finished off by saying that her sister and I were both ‘thick’.

At this point I rang my partner and told him he needs to come back from his hobby and accompany his children. I would have just cancelled the day altogether but the family friend had already spent money on her travel arrangements. My partner went mad at me on the phone, saying he should be able to leave them alone with me and I need to be better at disciplining them. He also accused me of taking away his down time and reminding him of an ex who also used to phone him about family drama, and that he felt embarrassed in front of his friends as he had to cancel his hobby that day. I told him that it’s not my job to discipline them, and had I tried that in the past, and it resulted in a ruined day out and atmosphere. I am only trying to do something nice by organising these days out. I wasn’t prepared to do that again. He carried on having a go at me, and I’ll be honest by the end of the call I ended up very upset. He did come back from his hobby, but he has been in a foul mood all day. We haven’t really spoken at all.

My step daughter has apologised to me and we have sorted it out.

I am very upset with my partner, but he insists I just need to change my relationship with them and be bolder in confronting and disciplining their behaviour. I don’t feel that it’s my job to do so, I shouldn’t have to navigate these situations alone and I’ve come in when the children are already older and have established parents, rules, discipline etc.

Who is being unreasonable here?

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Windydaysandwetnights · 10/02/2024 22:26

How long have you had the babysitter job op?

Cherrysoup · 10/02/2024 22:27

Why are you babysitting them so much? They aren’t your responsibility.

Garlickit · 10/02/2024 22:28

I changed my vote from YABU after reading further updates. I still think you're trying too hard to be popular with the girls. You're already in a tricky situation, granted, being closer in age to the kids than to their father, and also being the interloper from their POV. All the same - I was parenting other people's children for money at 20. You need to find your air of authority: be as fun as you wish, and also be the problem solver, the one who knows the answers.

The kid who owns the jacket gets to wear the jacket. Girls who get into fist fights at the spa get taken straight home from the spa in shame, and told to be silent (you can even go cheesy with a "go to your rooms to reflect on your antisocial behaviour"). Demand apologies for bad behaviour.

Demand apologies for insults, too, but getting all fraught because they called you thick? FGS, woman, you're the adult here! If you're this easily upset, you're really lucky they haven't taken massive advantage of you. Just tell them they're being ridiculous.

Do read a teen parenting book.

I agree with PPs, your husband's taking advantage of your eagerness to please. You'll need your air of authority with him as well - and to demand apologies. You're an ADULT, an EQUAL partner in this family, worthy of respect. Act like it, don't go running to "daddy" because a little girl said something mean.

Good luck! You're gonna need it.

Livinghappy · 10/02/2024 22:31

Now you have your own child can you imagine a situation where you leave them, perhaps to go for dinner with friends, and then if you get called home. Would you blame the babysitter?

It makes md uncomfortable when men have relationships with much younger women. You may not understand it now but I think you will when you get older..Also would you want your daughter to be with a much older man when she is in her 20s?

Please ensure you keep financial independence. Don't stop work and make sure you are able to have a home. You are not married so very vulnerable now you have a baby.

JustwantacupfT · 10/02/2024 22:33

Your partner was totally out of order, he is their parent and should be the one to lead on these things. The fact he had a go at you blows my mind!! What an arse.

Please give yourself some space from these girls and force their dad to step up and actually see what that is like first hand instead of burying his head in the sand...

Boomboom22 · 10/02/2024 22:34

The problem is he's expecting you to be able to parent them but that can never happen as you are so young, close to them in age than him. This is what he gets for having such a young gf.

Merrymouse · 10/02/2024 22:39

You are 100% in the right.

If he can’t do his hobby, tough.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 10/02/2024 22:44

I think you have been very naive in having a new baby with a man significantly older than you with teenage daughters closer in age to you than him.

I'm sorry but surely you knew that it was never going to be easy.

He doesn't sound great but not being able to cope with a teenager calling you thick does seem a little dramatic. It's what teenagers do, have rows and sometimes say hurtful things.

You really need to discuss your relationship and family rules if this has any hope of serving long term.

LoopyHarry · 10/02/2024 22:48

The reason I was so upset about the bickering, then thick comment, is because I knew this was going to be a repeat of the day at the spa with the terrible atmosphere, with one girl not talking or being short / rude all day. I had already been feeling anxious about this day out because of last time and I knew I was going to have a repeat of that situation. I’m also not sleeping and very tired, and think I probably have some anxieties around my baby too. Then to top it off, I ring my partner and that’s his response and how he spoke to me. So I was very upset and crying after all that.

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Garlickit · 10/02/2024 22:52

Livinghappy · 10/02/2024 22:31

Now you have your own child can you imagine a situation where you leave them, perhaps to go for dinner with friends, and then if you get called home. Would you blame the babysitter?

It makes md uncomfortable when men have relationships with much younger women. You may not understand it now but I think you will when you get older..Also would you want your daughter to be with a much older man when she is in her 20s?

Please ensure you keep financial independence. Don't stop work and make sure you are able to have a home. You are not married so very vulnerable now you have a baby.

Crikey, I didn't notice they aren't married!

"Please ensure you keep financial independence. Don't stop work and make sure you are able to have a home." - Very much this, @LoopyHarry.

I do think that, when you take on a partner with children, you also take on a co-parenting role. At the very least, the children deserve it. However, that's co-parenting and, if the bio parent buggers off to his sports club every Saturday, it's questionable whether he's doing his share of the "co".

It looks like his ex had the same problem.

FortunataTagnips · 10/02/2024 22:56

Why didn’t the girl who owned the jacket wear the jacket?

LoopyHarry · 10/02/2024 23:02

@FortunataTagnips They often only buy one of each item as they are the same size in clothes and shoes. Most of the time they are happy to share and take turns, but sometimes there are disputes like this.

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BritneyBookClubPresident · 10/02/2024 23:02

BillionaireTea · 10/02/2024 22:26

I feel very sorry for you because I think your DP is a lazy arse.

I feel sorry for the stepdaughter too as they don't see their dad, and he has just had a new baby with some new shiny person (if you are only 10 years older than the 6 year old, you can't have been with him that long). And he can't be arsed to stop golfing long enough to hang out with them.

I think you should get some external support, therapy or help, and give him a very very clear ultimatum that this new family is not going to be like the one he had before - he is not having it all his own way and needs to step up and be a good man and parent all his children.

This

JCLV · 10/02/2024 23:03

What a bloody knob he is. Of course it’s not your job to discipline his kids. He is swanning off for his hobby while leaving you to parent his kids. He should be spending time with them. He sounds patronising and a twat. Think seriously about spending your life with him.

Daisy12Maisie · 10/02/2024 23:06

You don't need to take them on days out with you. What a cheek that he would expect it.
Just let the argument drop now if that is possible but point blank just don't do it again. Make your own plans for you and the baby. If he only sees them 50% of the time he should be the one taking them out and wanting to spend time with them.

ThinWomansBrain · 10/02/2024 23:11

if his daughters aren't adult enough to behave, he should pay for a babysitter for them if he can't be arsed to look after them

BobbyBiscuits · 10/02/2024 23:14

In terms of you parenting the 2 SDs, I guess it kind of is your responsibility to an extent, if they live with you and are part of the family now you have the baby. They do need to see you more as an adult who needs respect, but as teens I can imagine it's very challenging. I think you should talk to them both together, in a non judgmental way, explaining that they are to act mature and respectful, and of course it is mutual but there has to be some sort of sanctions if they are rude like this again.

Windydaysandwetnights · 10/02/2024 23:14

Stop spending your money on ungrateful brats op. Let them realise why you take your dd out and leave them at home.

boopboopbidoop · 10/02/2024 23:16

You are right. You have a DP problem. He partners up with someone half his age. Gets you pregnant and leaves you to parent his dc who are closer in age to you than he is.

You have no reason to expect to be able to parent a 16 year old. You are so young yourself.

Sorry honey but you are having a baby with a dick.

Garlickit · 10/02/2024 23:17

@LoopyHarry, every response I tried to write after your 22:48 update ("I was upset") came out a little strong for someone who's understandably frayed around the edges. Please permit me to offer some concerned advice instead.

It might be a good idea to get a therapist to help reduce your need for approval. Everybody does need approval, of course. Being rather dependent on it can make us feel deeply wounded by disapproval, even if it's only temporary or wasn't intended to hurt as much. Nobody gets through life without being disapproved, disliked and even hated sometimes. Therapy can really help with this, building resilience so we aren't easily knocked down.

Hope you get a decent night's sleep.

DriftingDora · 10/02/2024 23:23

Here go again, same old story. Stepmum being used to take care of husband's own kids and being criticised when things don't go well or he's inconvenienced in any way.

Perhaps a little strongly worded reminder that they're his children and you aren't the doormat might do it?

whatsitcalledwhen · 10/02/2024 23:26

umbrel · 10/02/2024 21:41

Yet another man with a younger girlfriend taking over his childcare so he doesn’t have to pay maintenance.

It’s a lazy Boyfriend issue.

This.

It's such a cliche on the man's part and often the younger woman in question doesn't realise until they have a child with him themselves and experience the disappointment of someone they thought would be a good dad actually being a bit shit.

whatsitcalledwhen · 10/02/2024 23:28

Do you think OP that your partner is fundamentally a kind, nice, respectful man who genuinely values you based on his behaviour including how he spoke to you?

Don't waste your life on a partner who isn't fundamentally nice, kind, respectful and making you feel you're absolutely valued.

It's just such a waste.

Nagado · 10/02/2024 23:28

He needs a short, sharp shock. Ask him who the fuck he thinks he’s talking to. You’re his partner, not his nanny. He doesn’t get to criticise your handling of his teenagers.

He seems to be treating you like an eldest daughter who is responsible for babysitting the other two so he can go out and enjoy himself.

DriftingDora · 10/02/2024 23:30

Just realised they're not married. OP, he shapes up or he ships out, you don't need another child around and at the moment that's what he is.

edited to say PS: He's also a rude, ignorant git who's obviously confusing you with his last servant.