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Step daughters behaviour - AIBU or is my partner?

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LoopyHarry · 10/02/2024 21:14

I will preface by saying that 90% of the time, my step daughters are lovely. We have a great relationship and I love them very much. However, they are now late teens and at an age where there is some attitude, back chat, rudeness etc. I don’t want this thread to start lambasting them, my issue is with my partner.

I will start by I am quite sensitive and a non-confrontational person. I do get upset quite easily, especially at the moment as I have a young baby and I am very sleep deprived. I do accept that I could have perhaps handled these situations better, perhaps been more assertive or authoritarian. I am quite a fair bit younger compared to their dad (20s) and I came into the relationship when they were already older (12+). My relationship with them has always been that of an aunt / sister, as anything else felt inappropriate.

A few months ago, I took both my step daughters out for a day at a spa. It was expensive but I wanted to do something fun and treat them. Within half an hour of getting to the spa, both of them began to bicker and argue with one another. I tried to diffuse the situation as best I could and distract them, however, it resulted in one of them hitting the other in the middle of the spa. At that point I told the one who had hit the other off. For the rest of the day, the one who had been told off didn’t speak, answering with one word, being short and rude in her responses, and there was an awful atmosphere. Not only was it awful in the spa itself, but the hour long car ride home was spent sat in silence.

I told my partner who spoke to them and assured me it wouldn’t happen again.

Fast forward to a few months later, today I had arranged to meet some close family friends in town. We were to leave early in the morning so it tied in with the baby’s feed and nap, and my step daughters were also keen to go shopping before we met the family friends. I already felt a little anxious organising all of this because of what had happened last time. My partner has a hobby on a Saturday, and before he left this morning, he spoke to both of them about what had happened last time and reminded them of behaviour expectations. About ten minutes after he left, an argument started over a jacket that they both wanted to wear. It got progressively louder and worse, and we were at the point of needing to go. They then asked me what I thought, and I said that the one who was already wearing the jacket should wear it and we could always have a look for a similar one in town for the other girl. At that point, my step daughter who I hadn’t sided with, began to rant about how unfair it was, that she had nothing to wear, we’d ruined her outfit, and finished off by saying that her sister and I were both ‘thick’.

At this point I rang my partner and told him he needs to come back from his hobby and accompany his children. I would have just cancelled the day altogether but the family friend had already spent money on her travel arrangements. My partner went mad at me on the phone, saying he should be able to leave them alone with me and I need to be better at disciplining them. He also accused me of taking away his down time and reminding him of an ex who also used to phone him about family drama, and that he felt embarrassed in front of his friends as he had to cancel his hobby that day. I told him that it’s not my job to discipline them, and had I tried that in the past, and it resulted in a ruined day out and atmosphere. I am only trying to do something nice by organising these days out. I wasn’t prepared to do that again. He carried on having a go at me, and I’ll be honest by the end of the call I ended up very upset. He did come back from his hobby, but he has been in a foul mood all day. We haven’t really spoken at all.

My step daughter has apologised to me and we have sorted it out.

I am very upset with my partner, but he insists I just need to change my relationship with them and be bolder in confronting and disciplining their behaviour. I don’t feel that it’s my job to do so, I shouldn’t have to navigate these situations alone and I’ve come in when the children are already older and have established parents, rules, discipline etc.

Who is being unreasonable here?

OP posts:
HenndigoOZ · 11/02/2024 03:39

I feel for you OP. You sound so diligent and conscientious about trying to be fair and do the right thing. Many first time mothers in their 20s are like this and then with time and experience, start getting better at self care and self advocacy, not tolerating nonsense.

Is your partner sharing the care of the baby’s night wake ups as well? You mentioned about being very tired with having to get up for the baby, so I am guessing that it is more often you. This is another reason why leaving you to care for the teen girls as well is not appropriate. How dare he criticise you for not disciplining them and acting annoyed because you disturbed his self care time!

samqueens · 11/02/2024 04:04

whatsitcalledwhen · 10/02/2024 23:28

Do you think OP that your partner is fundamentally a kind, nice, respectful man who genuinely values you based on his behaviour including how he spoke to you?

Don't waste your life on a partner who isn't fundamentally nice, kind, respectful and making you feel you're absolutely valued.

It's just such a waste.

This is worth considering…

Oh OP… leaving the teens aside - how old is your baby? Are you on maternity leave? Why is he still pursuing a hobby every Saturday morning (morning? Or most of day?) when you’re at home with a new baby all the time anyway?

(now you can see why he is divorced)

even more so, why is he doing the hobby when this also means your fielding three kids on a Saturday (are they with you every weekend or every other?)

I mean there are strategies for things like the jacket (if there’s a row then no-one wears it), and making it easier to handle the girls (you’ll only alternate taking one out with you not both, the other stays at home - personally I wouldn’t want to leave them at home together for very long at those ages if they tend to be bickery).

But none of this is the problem - the problem is this man is a nasty piece of work who cares far more about his needs/friendships/hobby than about you or any of his children. How DARE he shout at you for calling when you felt overwhelmed - even if you’d been calling because the washing machine was spewing water, or the car had broken down, or the baby had been crying for an hour or whatever, there’s NO EXCUSE for him to speak to you like that.

This is the opposite of being a supportive partner. So instead of investing your energy in trying to find solutions in general, I’d really focus on how long you want to be trapped in this life with him. It will only get harder as your baby gets older and he consistently leaves everything to you, while also ripping into you if you complain.

He’s not a good guy OP… please consider your future very carefully and make sure you do all you can to retain or gain financial independence, keep your friends and family close to you, and protect yourself and your baby from his behaviour.

I’m so sorry - I don’t think he is what you probably thought he was.

marshmallowburn · 11/02/2024 04:29

Sorry, but they sound like teenagers to me. ( have not rtft but have raised 3 teenagers already mysself and they are agro things at times)) . Hard being a step mum though.

DaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisy · 11/02/2024 04:36

My god I feel sorry for you. He is having his cake and eating it isn't he. You are his unpaid baby sitter and you deserve so much more.

ImustLearn2Cook · 11/02/2024 05:01

@LoopyHarry you were not being unreasonable to contact your dp to parent his teenagers. They are old enough not to need
a step parent parenting them.

They probably do not want an additional mother or father figure in their lives at this age.

You do not need to be an authority figure in their lives. But you do need to make some boundaries very clear to your partner that you are not going to parent his teenagers. You can be a friendly and supportive adult in their lives.

And how dare he speak to you like that and dictate to you! 😡How absolutely disrespectful.

Strong, immovable boundaries: I will not be spoken to like that, you don’t get to dictate to me or lecture me and I will not parent your children. They are too old and too close in age to me to benefit from it.

If he doesn’t like that or is not willing to respect your boundaries then it is up to you whether you remain in this relationship or not.

Goodluck.

thebestinterest · 11/02/2024 05:03

So he got his girls company that will look after them for free. Not too far apart in age, they should cope. Well done, dad! Reminds me of a friends situation.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 11/02/2024 05:42

OP, I think your partner is wrong in thinking you ought to be able to discipline them more effectively. It is not for you to arbitrate or quell their disputes. They should have been learning how to negotiate and compromise between themselves long before you came on the scene.

Sibling relationships are complicated. It's foolhardy to decide one is right and one is wrong. It can really breed resentment, especially if one tends to be seen as the 'bad' one and loses out.

If you want to help them, the best thing you can do is - in a quieter moment - let them know how stressful it is for you to make a decision as to what is to be done on their behalf when they are in conflict. Encourage them to work it out between themselves and to listen to each other thoughtfully - and tell them you are not going to arbitrate any longer!

Bettyfromlondon · 11/02/2024 05:49

Your headspace and physical energy are taken up with looking after a small baby and occasionally wrangling the behaviour of your step- daughters.
Your relationship with your partner is on rocky ground and may not last. You seem to be a subordinate rather than an equal in the relationship. I strongly advise you to be very clear what your options are even if you never need them. Starting with:
You are a partner not a wife. Whose name is on the rental/mortgage/ deeds?
Do you have an adequate income of your own?
Are you on maternity leave planning to return to work? How secure is your job? Can you progress and earn more?
Do you have supportive family and friends near by?
I hope you can find time to prioritise yourself for a change to clarify what you want and deserve. Good luck!

Simonlebonbon · 11/02/2024 05:56

Dacadactyl · 10/02/2024 21:25

He is being the most unreasonable, but your SD are both unreasonable too.

I think he sounds awful tbh.

I'll never understand why young 20 year olds saddle themselves with much older men who have kids already. Blows my mind.

Usually childhood trauma and shitty upbringings ourselves and want the family we never had.
I was a lovely looking young woman and married a very unpleasant, morbidly obese man who was very abusive towards me when I was 18, he was 37.
He was highly manipulative, cruel and sulky. I wish I'd had the mumsnet hive behind me then, my life would have been much better.

inapickle2300 · 11/02/2024 05:59

I don’t understand why you didn’t just leave them at home?
Your DP was a dick in what he said, they are not your responsibility but I’d have just phoned him to say that they weren’t coming with me.

lifesrichpageant · 11/02/2024 05:59

Absolutely YANBU!
I am still in shock that your DH went off to do a hobby leaving you at home with 3 kids and then had a go at you for calling him - AND insulted his ex - the red flags are really stacking up. So inappropriate and thoughtless. I feel for the teens and for you.

Gillypie23 · 11/02/2024 06:33

I don't know how you can discipline young adult kids. Why are they behaving so appalling at their age.
I'd have left them at home and gone without them.

Mydietstartstomorrow · 11/02/2024 06:57

FruitBat53 · 10/02/2024 21:20

Your mistake is caring for HIS children so he can do a hobby. Stop. They are his responsibility not yours. If he's not available, they should be with their Mum.

And he has absolutely no right to speak to you like that.

This

cocktailanddreams · 11/02/2024 06:57

Save your energy and efforts for your own child when they reach teen age years. Bad enough living through it once...
Although you'll know what to expect I guess.

If they continue to argue maybe arrange to do things separately. However it's not your responsibility to sort it or facilitate it.

LogansWalk · 11/02/2024 07:03

Is he even divorced from his ex yet?

OP I really feel for you, you've been dreadfully naive, he really saw you coming.

Not only has he acquired an unpaid baby sitter (and I bet you do most of the housework too) he'll have a ready made carer for his old age.

I also suspect your SD calling you thick
hit a nerve, I'm not saying you are thick, but that they'll also recognise what a fool you've been.

If you want out of this situation - be it becoming financially independent or managing as a single parent you'll get plenty of good advice here.

Now you're a mother yourself, ask - would you want this for your DC?

Merrymouse · 11/02/2024 07:04

He also accused me of taking away his down time and reminding him of an ex who also used to phone him about family drama, and that he felt embarrassed in front of his friends as he had to cancel his hobby that day.

His daughters are ‘family drama’?

Are his friends as bad?

WhatNoRaisins · 11/02/2024 07:07

I think it's creepy as fuck when men date women so young that they're barely older than their children. What good points does your partner have because I agree with PP that he just wants to avoid paying maintenance while someone else looks after his kids for free too.

noseovertails · 11/02/2024 07:08

Is his hobby golf Grin

I'd of left the teens and just gone out.

But there's a bigger issue here, and that's your Dp

AgentJohnson · 11/02/2024 07:19

Oh I see. So he pays no maintenance?

And you look after the children…

He saw you coming mate.

This with bloody bells on. You need to stop enabling him prioritising himself over his contact time with his children. Their behaviour is probably is linked to behaviour.

EmilyGilmoreenergy · 11/02/2024 07:27

@LoopyHarry you don't seem to have acknowledged the overwhelming theme of the responses you have on here that your partner has been totally out of order and has treated you (and his children) like shit by both leaving you and his 3 kids) to go and do his no responsibilities single man activities and even worse what he has said and done since you had to disturb his me time.
Are you going to tackle this ?

Yalta · 11/02/2024 07:55

He also accused me of taking away his down time and reminding him of an ex who also used to phone him about family drama, and that he felt embarrassed in front of his friends as he had to cancel his hobby that day

in which case this is a regular occurrence so why is he blaming his ex and you. He either needs to discipline his DD’s that there will be consequences to their behaviour or stay at home to make sure they don’t pull this stunt again

He really doesn’t have time for a hobby if he has dc who can’t be left alone without starting an argument

Smerpsmorp · 11/02/2024 08:00

The arguments they’re having sound quite small to be ringing dad about to be honest.

you should have just said, if either of you ruin my day, you will stay at home, and that you won’t get involved.

they are teenagers, and will argue from time to time, and will sulk and ruin a day out, it’s just what they do!!

just don’t take them out - problem solved! It’s really not a big deal. The girls can stay home alone whilst dad does his hobby.

XelaM · 11/02/2024 08:01

You sound like a drama queen, sorry.

letstrythatagain · 11/02/2024 08:04

Purplewarrior · 10/02/2024 21:22

Oh I see. So he pays no maintenance?

And you look after the children…

He saw you coming mate.

Yep because ALL dads who have 50/50 access do it so they don't have to pay maintenance 🙄. Gotta love yet another sweeping Mumsnet statement.

Viviennemary · 11/02/2024 08:07

I wouldnt offer to take them anywhere again. Its not your job to referee their arguments. But I do think their behaviour is typical teenager. Your DH needs to step up and deal with them and not opt out.

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