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Ex BIL messaging me

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thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 14:49

NC for this.

Long story short, my sister and my ex BIL divorced around 6 years ago. All water under the bridge now, they don't have contact anymore, no kids together so a relatively straightforward separation. It was hard at the time as BIL had been a part of the family for a lot of years and I regarded him as more of a brother to be honest, so the separation was hard for the rest of the family but it was the right decision for my sister and we obviously stood by her as her family. I'm still friends with BIL on social media but no longer close, and in all honesty we have very little contact. I messaged him after his child was born to a new woman a couple years ago to congratulate him, and he replied thank you etc, but otherwise we don't generally speak.

Today I received a message from him out of the blue asking how I was. I replied that I was fine and asked about him etc, we had a pleasant exchange about our respective kids etc. All fine and pleasant. He then asked me if I knew why my sister was still using "his name", and that he'd discovered this recently and it bothered him. I said I didn't know why she had made this decision, and that it's not really anything to do with me, but I assumed it was because it was less hassle to keep her married name for practical reasons (my sister is a very pragmatic person). I explained this was likely the reason and he continued to state that this was "weird" and "wrong" and could I "suggest" to her that she should revert back to her maiden name. I said this wasn't my place and legally it's her name, and asked why it was a concern to him so many years down the line? He said that I wouldn't understand because I "hadn't been through it", but that this surname was "a part of him" and he didn't need the "constant reminder". Again, I asked how on earth he's being constantly reminded when he literally has no contact with my sister anymore? He couldn't answer this, just said "it's not her identity anymore, it's MY surname". I was going round in circles explaining to him that it was also in fact her legal surname to use as she wished and there was little he could do about that. He then stated that "there is only going to be one Mrs X soon and it's not her". I pointed out that there are many, many Mrs X's in the world and he didn't own the rights to that particular surname. I suggested he just focused on his new relationship/ wife to be and family and move on from what my sister chooses to do / not do. He then became defensive stating that "I don't care about her or what she does but I don't think this is right". I had to end the discussion as we were just going round in unhelpful circles and I was fed up of repeating myself.

I then spoke to my sister and she said he'd also been in touch with her recently out of the blue saying similar things, demanding to know why she wasn't changing her name. She said she told him she'd made a decision to keep the name she was known by in professional circles and just for ease. He was apparently unpleasant towards her so she ended up blocking him, hence he's now badgering her family members.

AIBU that this is just a ridiculous thing to for him to get wound up about? Why now, 6 years down the line is my sister's name suddenly an issue just because he's remarrying?! He surely cannot expect my sister to change her name just because he finds it "weird" and thinks its "not her identity"?! And also why is he bothering me with this?! I assume this has only become an issue because he's getting married again, but why should it matter? For context the surname is a very common one - think Smith / Jones - and so there'll be literally thousands of women with this name across the world and yet his new wife needs to be "the only one"?!

Aside from all of this, what has any of it got to to with me?! I wasn't even married to the guy!

The whole thing has just annoyed and baffled me and just wanted some outside perspectives! Thank you.

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WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 07/02/2024 15:30

I don't know why people pretend it's nothing at all, just a name, when it's actually very symbolic.

It's the name typically a woman takes, of the man she is marrying. It, and the prefix Mrs signifies she is his wife. The wife of that specific man, hence the "are you taking his name?" phrase. It's seen as his name. It is his name. It only becomes hers when she marries him. It's only hers because of him. And they are nothing to do with each other.

When you divorce, yes it is weird to continue using it, you took it on marriage, the marriage is no more. The only time it makes sense is when there are DC and the mother wants to keep the same surname as her children.

I see both sides, your sister should have changed it back on divorce, but as that should have happened 6yrs ago, it would be a bit pointless to do it now. I completely get the fiance's upset though. The name that signifies her as his wife, your sister is still using. Does your sister still call herself Mrs, or is she Miss/Ms?

I'd be pissed off if there was another woman with the name of myself, my husband, and more so my children (which means a great deal to me, it's our family) when she was nothing to do with us, but chose to keep a name that implies she is.

Nicebloomers · 07/02/2024 15:33

Nonsense. I’m married but I’m not Mrs either. It’s her name now and up to her what she wants to do with it.

AffIt · 07/02/2024 15:34

And this is why I remain baffled as to why some women change their names.

What an absolute bin fire of admin and grief.

tuvamoodyson · 07/02/2024 15:34

Tbh, I couldn’t have bothered going round in circles with him, I’d have shut the convo down and blocked him.

thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 15:39

tuvamoodyson · 07/02/2024 15:34

Tbh, I couldn’t have bothered going round in circles with him, I’d have shut the convo down and blocked him.

Yeah, I realised that a few messages in as he was like a dog with a bone 🙄

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thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 15:42

Mudflaps · 07/02/2024 15:20

I'd message him back saying now that he's brought it to your mind you've always secretly loved that name and you're going to change yours to it so you'll match your sister. Then block him.

😂

and then change it on social media as well so he can see it 😂😂

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YetMoreNewBeginnings · 07/02/2024 15:52

You should do what the Friends actors and crew did when Courtney Cox changed to Cox-Arquette - they all added ‘-Arquette’ to their names on the titles for an episode.

You should all become Name-Smith for a while just to annoy him 😂

thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 15:54

I'd be pissed off if there was another woman with the name of myself, my husband, and more so my children (which means a great deal to me, it's our family) when she was nothing to do with us, but chose to keep a name that implies she is.

See, I don't get this at all.

As I said earlier, my own partner's ex wife chose to keep his name until only 3 or so years ago when she remarried. My partner and I have been together for 9 years. So for 6 years of the relationship, another woman still had my partner's surname. But how is that affecting my life, in any way? How is it affecting my relationship with my partner?

Incidentally my partner and I aren't married and our child has a double barrelled surname, in the format "my last name-his last name". So technically, if his ex wife hadn't remarried, my child would have shared half of her surname with her father's ex wife. Again, thats not affecting me or my child in any way, is it?

I don't get it, at all.

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thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 15:55

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 07/02/2024 15:52

You should do what the Friends actors and crew did when Courtney Cox changed to Cox-Arquette - they all added ‘-Arquette’ to their names on the titles for an episode.

You should all become Name-Smith for a while just to annoy him 😂

😂😂😂 love this

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Wishitsnows · 07/02/2024 16:01

he could have taken your sisters name when they got married. Maybe he will learn his lesson and take his girlfriends name when he gets married this time.

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 07/02/2024 16:01

thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 15:54

I'd be pissed off if there was another woman with the name of myself, my husband, and more so my children (which means a great deal to me, it's our family) when she was nothing to do with us, but chose to keep a name that implies she is.

See, I don't get this at all.

As I said earlier, my own partner's ex wife chose to keep his name until only 3 or so years ago when she remarried. My partner and I have been together for 9 years. So for 6 years of the relationship, another woman still had my partner's surname. But how is that affecting my life, in any way? How is it affecting my relationship with my partner?

Incidentally my partner and I aren't married and our child has a double barrelled surname, in the format "my last name-his last name". So technically, if his ex wife hadn't remarried, my child would have shared half of her surname with her father's ex wife. Again, thats not affecting me or my child in any way, is it?

I don't get it, at all.

You aren't married, so still have "your name", the re-married ex wife no longer has your partner's name and your DC have a double barrelled different combined name.

So entirely different in all respects.

I accept you say it wouldn't bother you. But also you haven't been in the same situation to know that.

I wouldn't have been remotely bothered before I was married/had my husband's name either. I would not like it at all now.

WannabeMathematician · 07/02/2024 16:05

@WillYouPutYourCoatOn I think it's sad that last paragraph reads that you don't have your own name. That's probably not what your are trying to say but you don't use the phrase "shared our name" or anything like that. I know that's the normal turn of phrase but I can't help be sad when I hear/read that.

Minglingpringle · 07/02/2024 16:06

Left · 07/02/2024 15:12

If he’s that bothered he can take on his new wife’s surname 🤷‍♀️

Yes!

thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 16:14

@WillYouPutYourCoatOn

I accept your point that I haven't been married so I can't possibly know what it feels like to share a surname with another woman who was once married to my husband.

But the part that strikes me is where you (and my BIL) imply an emotional element to the decision, where you say for example "she was nothing to do with us, but chose to keep a name that implies she is". And my BIL had said things to the effect "it's MY name it's not her identity". As though these exes are trying to make a statement about their still somehow "belonging" to the ex spouse.

Ultimately, some people (like my sister) make these decisions about a name for pragmatic, work related reasons, and there's nothing more to it than that. It's not (at least as far as my sister is concerned) an attempt to try to portray that she's still a part of my BIL's family - couldn't be more opposite! She was the one who instigated the separation and she's far happier now with a new partner. Sometimes these things are just practical decisions and nothing more. I said this to my BIL - that he was reading something more significant into the situation than needed to be. 🤷‍♀️

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MrsToriCostner · 07/02/2024 16:21

I bet you any money that the woman he's with is giving him shit about it, spies on your sister on the socials and is demanding he sorts this out as she's going to be taking his name soon and doesn't want your sister still using it!

MrsToriCostner · 07/02/2024 16:22

Sounds like trouble in paradise already ... 🤣

Shodan · 07/02/2024 16:25

It's the name typically a woman takes, of the man she is marrying. It, and the prefix Mrs signifies she is his wife. The wife of that specificman, hence the "are you takinghisname?" phrase. It's seen as his name. It is his name. It only becomes hers when she marries him. It's only hers because of him. And they are nothing to do with each other.

You've said it yourself- 'takes'. Not borrows. It is now, and has been since she took the name upon marriage, hers.

OP perhaps, if your other sister gets a message, she could tell him that your sister actually no longer has 'his' name, as she changed it by deed poll, and it is therefore hers in her own right. That should keep his little brain ticking over for quite some time, I'd have thought.

Janetime · 07/02/2024 16:27

I think it’s completely normal to keep your married name after divorce if kids are involved. I do find it a bit odd to keep,your married name after divorce if you don’t have any kids. Not sure I’m buying the can’t be arsed thing for professional reasons, she was happy to change

shes divorced, with someone else, why cling om to her married name when no kids?

SpringleDingle · 07/02/2024 16:29

I kept my Hs surname when we divorced because it is easier to spell than my maiden name and professionally I was known as Mrs Jones at that point. Half the Welsh village I live in are also called Mrs Jones so it seems a non event. Am considering re-marrying and new H to be and I have discussed names and he may well change his to Jones so we can be Mr & Mrs Jones. I don't want to change mine again as I'd need to carry a professional and personal name and it sounds like a ball-ache!!

thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 16:31

OH MY. The plot has thickened.

So.... my sister just shared with me a screenshot of a message she had totally forgotten about from around 18 or so months after they split. It's a text conversation in which she asks him how he feels about her keeping his name for work, and he replied, I kid you not (I've just seen the screenshot myself): "I'm really not that bothered at all, it's just a name". 😱

So my sister thought to herself ok, fuck it, if he's not bothered and it's easier for me, I'll crack on as Mrs X.

Then 4 years down the line from that conversation, he's about to be remarried, and suddenly contacts my sister and her family members calling her "weird" and demanding to know why she kept his name??! Seems his memory is a little short, eh?!

She hadn't remember this text exchange when he got in touch with her recently about this, she said she's tempted to unblock him and share it with him! This has 100% come from the new wife to be. It's so clear.

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Janetime · 07/02/2024 16:31

thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 16:31

OH MY. The plot has thickened.

So.... my sister just shared with me a screenshot of a message she had totally forgotten about from around 18 or so months after they split. It's a text conversation in which she asks him how he feels about her keeping his name for work, and he replied, I kid you not (I've just seen the screenshot myself): "I'm really not that bothered at all, it's just a name". 😱

So my sister thought to herself ok, fuck it, if he's not bothered and it's easier for me, I'll crack on as Mrs X.

Then 4 years down the line from that conversation, he's about to be remarried, and suddenly contacts my sister and her family members calling her "weird" and demanding to know why she kept his name??! Seems his memory is a little short, eh?!

She hadn't remember this text exchange when he got in touch with her recently about this, she said she's tempted to unblock him and share it with him! This has 100% come from the new wife to be. It's so clear.

Goodness you really are very het up. How’s that a plot thickener, try to breathe,

MILTOBE · 07/02/2024 16:32

If your sister pays for LinkedIn she can see who's been looking at her account.

thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 16:34

@Janetime

This man took up almost an hour of my morning with back and forth texting of his outrage about my sister's "weirdness" and the audacity of her keeping his name, not accepting my explanations for this and had me going around in circles, when in fact he fucking agreed to this himself after they split! He's a fucking idiot and yes I am het up about that.

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Adooree · 07/02/2024 16:35

I have a friend who's maiden name is a very well known ( as in known as one of the most common ) surnames . She married and took her husband's name , had kids , divorced , kids now grown and had been with someone else for years . They eventually married but she never took his name and has kept her 1st husband's name for no other reason except she thinks it as unusual and she likes it.

A name is a name , doesn't belong to anyone , nor do they have rights over it.

PossumintheHouse · 07/02/2024 16:36

thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 16:31

OH MY. The plot has thickened.

So.... my sister just shared with me a screenshot of a message she had totally forgotten about from around 18 or so months after they split. It's a text conversation in which she asks him how he feels about her keeping his name for work, and he replied, I kid you not (I've just seen the screenshot myself): "I'm really not that bothered at all, it's just a name". 😱

So my sister thought to herself ok, fuck it, if he's not bothered and it's easier for me, I'll crack on as Mrs X.

Then 4 years down the line from that conversation, he's about to be remarried, and suddenly contacts my sister and her family members calling her "weird" and demanding to know why she kept his name??! Seems his memory is a little short, eh?!

She hadn't remember this text exchange when he got in touch with her recently about this, she said she's tempted to unblock him and share it with him! This has 100% come from the new wife to be. It's so clear.

I thought they split six years ago, weren’t in contact… But messages 18 months ago?