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Ex BIL messaging me

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thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 14:49

NC for this.

Long story short, my sister and my ex BIL divorced around 6 years ago. All water under the bridge now, they don't have contact anymore, no kids together so a relatively straightforward separation. It was hard at the time as BIL had been a part of the family for a lot of years and I regarded him as more of a brother to be honest, so the separation was hard for the rest of the family but it was the right decision for my sister and we obviously stood by her as her family. I'm still friends with BIL on social media but no longer close, and in all honesty we have very little contact. I messaged him after his child was born to a new woman a couple years ago to congratulate him, and he replied thank you etc, but otherwise we don't generally speak.

Today I received a message from him out of the blue asking how I was. I replied that I was fine and asked about him etc, we had a pleasant exchange about our respective kids etc. All fine and pleasant. He then asked me if I knew why my sister was still using "his name", and that he'd discovered this recently and it bothered him. I said I didn't know why she had made this decision, and that it's not really anything to do with me, but I assumed it was because it was less hassle to keep her married name for practical reasons (my sister is a very pragmatic person). I explained this was likely the reason and he continued to state that this was "weird" and "wrong" and could I "suggest" to her that she should revert back to her maiden name. I said this wasn't my place and legally it's her name, and asked why it was a concern to him so many years down the line? He said that I wouldn't understand because I "hadn't been through it", but that this surname was "a part of him" and he didn't need the "constant reminder". Again, I asked how on earth he's being constantly reminded when he literally has no contact with my sister anymore? He couldn't answer this, just said "it's not her identity anymore, it's MY surname". I was going round in circles explaining to him that it was also in fact her legal surname to use as she wished and there was little he could do about that. He then stated that "there is only going to be one Mrs X soon and it's not her". I pointed out that there are many, many Mrs X's in the world and he didn't own the rights to that particular surname. I suggested he just focused on his new relationship/ wife to be and family and move on from what my sister chooses to do / not do. He then became defensive stating that "I don't care about her or what she does but I don't think this is right". I had to end the discussion as we were just going round in unhelpful circles and I was fed up of repeating myself.

I then spoke to my sister and she said he'd also been in touch with her recently out of the blue saying similar things, demanding to know why she wasn't changing her name. She said she told him she'd made a decision to keep the name she was known by in professional circles and just for ease. He was apparently unpleasant towards her so she ended up blocking him, hence he's now badgering her family members.

AIBU that this is just a ridiculous thing to for him to get wound up about? Why now, 6 years down the line is my sister's name suddenly an issue just because he's remarrying?! He surely cannot expect my sister to change her name just because he finds it "weird" and thinks its "not her identity"?! And also why is he bothering me with this?! I assume this has only become an issue because he's getting married again, but why should it matter? For context the surname is a very common one - think Smith / Jones - and so there'll be literally thousands of women with this name across the world and yet his new wife needs to be "the only one"?!

Aside from all of this, what has any of it got to to with me?! I wasn't even married to the guy!

The whole thing has just annoyed and baffled me and just wanted some outside perspectives! Thank you.

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HardcoreLadyType · 09/02/2024 08:16

thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 15:16

Yep, I could change MY name to Mrs X tomorrow if I wanted to and there'd be nowt he could do about it!

Your whole family should all do this on social media to wind them up. Get some deed poll forms, and photograph 🤭

thisisuttermadness · 09/02/2024 08:16

@Beautiful3
Sorry I misread that as "when" you got divorced! I realise now you were discussing this hypothetically with your husband and that there is no "new wife". 🤦🏼‍♀️😂 Apologies x

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thisisuttermadness · 09/02/2024 08:18

@HardcoreLadyType

Yeah I considered doing this. But then I quickly ruled it out because ex BIL's name is so common and boring and mine isn't 😂 I like mine, I'm keeping it 😀

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WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 09/02/2024 08:25

No. Again - it's not ME who thinks divorce papers are important.

Yes it is - you are the one who keeps bringing private pieces of paper up

It's YOU who has repeatedly banged on about "how does the new partner know for sure she's divorced if she's using her married name"

No, this is where you've misread, and now I get why you started all this weird stuff about divorce papers. It's not "how does the new partner know they are divorced"...of course she knows. It's how does everyone else who doesn't have knowledge of the divorce know if "Mrs X" is still married, because she still appears to be, by name. It's about how you are presenting yourself to the rest of the world, not the small group of people who have personal knowledge of your personal situation.

Noideawwhatsoccuring · 09/02/2024 08:41

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 09/02/2024 08:25

No. Again - it's not ME who thinks divorce papers are important.

Yes it is - you are the one who keeps bringing private pieces of paper up

It's YOU who has repeatedly banged on about "how does the new partner know for sure she's divorced if she's using her married name"

No, this is where you've misread, and now I get why you started all this weird stuff about divorce papers. It's not "how does the new partner know they are divorced"...of course she knows. It's how does everyone else who doesn't have knowledge of the divorce know if "Mrs X" is still married, because she still appears to be, by name. It's about how you are presenting yourself to the rest of the world, not the small group of people who have personal knowledge of your personal situation.

Who are these people?

That don’t know they are divorced. But do know he is with someone else.

Who is getting confused about who he will be married to?

And why are we expecting women to change their own name, to show the rest of the world they are divorced?

If a new wife has such an issue she is worried about the ex wife simply existing. She shouldn’t be getting married to someone who has been married before.

His first marriage will always exist. It factually happens.

I always went by Ms. Before, during and after marriage. Ms isn’t proof of relationship status anymore.

You seem very behind the times. Again, a man’s surname isn’t something he can give and take away as he pleases. Once a woman has changed her name, it’s hers. It belongs to her. The same as it would if she changed it by deed poll.

If a new wife/girlfriend or the ex husband has an issue. That’s their issue. No one else’s.

thisisuttermadness · 09/02/2024 08:42

It's how does everyone else who doesn't have knowledge of the divorce know if "Mrs X" is still married, because she still appears to be, by name. It's about how you are presenting yourself to the rest of the world, not the small group of people who have personal knowledge of your personal situation.

But WHO GIVES A SHIT?!?!

Literally no one cares how my sister is "presenting herself to the world" except YOU!!

Get a grip.

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thisisuttermadness · 09/02/2024 08:43

@Noideawwhatsoccuring

Thank you! Exactly - who are these ever so confused people, @WillYouPutYourCoatOn? Who?? You're being so vague and cryptic. Like can you give a SPECIFIC example of who might become confused, and then how SPECIFICALLY this then affects my ex BIL or his fiancée???

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thisisuttermadness · 09/02/2024 08:45

@WillYouPutYourCoatOn

Also, the hilarious irony of it being me who "started all this weird stuff" 😂😂😂😂😂

Fucking hell. You and you alone are the ONLY person on this thread going on and on (and on) about my sisters choice of name and how "confusing" this is for the rest of the world. Without providing ANY real life examples of who this affects and how. Not one.

I can only assume you're on the wind up now.

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thisisuttermadness · 09/02/2024 08:46

If a new wife has such an issue she is worried about the ex wife simply existing. She shouldn’t be getting married to someone who has been married before.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 THIS!!

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TheOccupier · 09/02/2024 08:56

YANBU! The obvious thing for ex-BIL to do here is take his new wife's surname when they get married. Have you suggested this to him?

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 09/02/2024 09:05

I’ve never understood why woman would want to keep their married name either-seems weird to me but not fair he should be badgering others about it.

Georgieporgie29 · 09/02/2024 09:06

Bloody hell that poster is weird, making up all these random scenarios and your DS presenting herself to the world 🤣

so her options are as far as I can see it.

  1. tell him, well what do you know I’ve actually remarried and he is also called Mr ‘Smith’ so it’s actually not your name I have anymore it’s his
  2. Actually I am about to get remarried and my new husband is taking my surname so there’s going to be another Mr ‘Smith’ now -so you’ll have to change your name-

Oh and I agree it is definitely his new wife to be that’s miffed.

youmustrememberthis · 09/02/2024 09:07

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 09/02/2024 09:05

I’ve never understood why woman would want to keep their married name either-seems weird to me but not fair he should be badgering others about it.

Why would it be weird to keep the name you're professionally known by or to want to keep the same surname as your children?

Noideawwhatsoccuring · 09/02/2024 09:11

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 09/02/2024 09:05

I’ve never understood why woman would want to keep their married name either-seems weird to me but not fair he should be badgering others about it.

It’s her surname. You think it’s weird for people to want to keep their own name?

thisisuttermadness · 09/02/2024 09:13

tell him, well what do you know I’ve actually remarried and he is also called Mr ‘Smith’ so it’s actually not your name I have anymore it’s his

😂😂😂😂

Omg I wish I'd been able to think of this at the time!

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thisisuttermadness · 09/02/2024 09:14

TheOccupier · 09/02/2024 08:56

YANBU! The obvious thing for ex-BIL to do here is take his new wife's surname when they get married. Have you suggested this to him?

No and I can only imagine the response I'd get if I did!

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OrangeMarmaladeOnToast · 09/02/2024 10:46

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 09/02/2024 09:05

I’ve never understood why woman would want to keep their married name either-seems weird to me but not fair he should be badgering others about it.

Can't see how it's any more or less weird than changing it in the first place, or swapping back.

Ultimately, the woman taking the man's surname on marriage is a custom that arose out of circumstances that aren't at all like our society today. It was never designed to accommodate widespread divorce, and so it doesn't.

The custom has outlived the (horrible) circumstances and certainty in which it came to exist. But because some people still want to follow it, and some of them will divorce, an older model and the 21st century get grafted together. There's no one right way to do that, because the original custom didn't allow for it and because they reflect two totally different worlds. Which is how people end up tying themselves up into very odd knots when they try and say otherwise, as this thread has shown.

thisisuttermadness · 09/02/2024 11:26

@OrangeMarmaladeOnToast

What a very sensible and informative post. Explains the issue very clearly! Thank you.

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OrangeMarmaladeOnToast · 09/02/2024 11:31

Aw thank you!

willitevergetwarm · 09/02/2024 12:00

My ex husband was quite upset when I went back to my maiden name after our divorce. I have since remarried and will keep this name forever as it's much nicer than my maiden name and first married name.

Your ex-bil is being a dick BTW

IncompleteSenten · 09/02/2024 13:15

I wouldn't let her telling him to keep out of it go tbh.

You need to at least tell her that it absolutely would be his business since being stuck paying her debts would mean less money in your household.

OVienna · 09/02/2024 13:45

beatrix1234 · 07/02/2024 15:16

I would not like it because my surname belongs to my family, my ex husband is no longer family and I don’t keep in touch with him, so feels weird to me if he still used my name, specially if I’m about to get married, but that’s just my personal opinion and everyone is different I guess.

Lol - Princess Beatrice is that you? It's Mountbatten, is it?

cockapup · 09/02/2024 13:53

When I got divorced I kept my ex's surname as it had been mine for over 25years and the same as my children. It was also my professional name. I had had 'his' name longer than my maiden name.

When I recently remarried and changed by surname again, I kept my ex's surname for work purposes as far too convoluted to change it.

My new husband has no issue with this and as far as I know my ex's now wife doesn't care either that I have her husbands surname.
It baffles me that anyone thinks a surname belongs to them.

diddl · 09/02/2024 14:03

OVienna · 09/02/2024 13:45

Lol - Princess Beatrice is that you? It's Mountbatten, is it?

Edited

Didn't realise that Beatrice was divorced!

Throckmorton · 09/02/2024 14:16

You know, I'm really confused. If any Mrs Smith can be mistaken for the wife of any and all Mr Smiths, does that mean that anyone who meets a Mrs Smith assumes all Mr Smiths are bigamists, seeing as there are quite a few Mrs Smiths out there?! Also, if such confusion can arise, does that mean all Mrs Smiths are confused as to whether they are in fact a different Mrs Smith from the one they thought they were?!

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