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Ex BIL messaging me

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thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 14:49

NC for this.

Long story short, my sister and my ex BIL divorced around 6 years ago. All water under the bridge now, they don't have contact anymore, no kids together so a relatively straightforward separation. It was hard at the time as BIL had been a part of the family for a lot of years and I regarded him as more of a brother to be honest, so the separation was hard for the rest of the family but it was the right decision for my sister and we obviously stood by her as her family. I'm still friends with BIL on social media but no longer close, and in all honesty we have very little contact. I messaged him after his child was born to a new woman a couple years ago to congratulate him, and he replied thank you etc, but otherwise we don't generally speak.

Today I received a message from him out of the blue asking how I was. I replied that I was fine and asked about him etc, we had a pleasant exchange about our respective kids etc. All fine and pleasant. He then asked me if I knew why my sister was still using "his name", and that he'd discovered this recently and it bothered him. I said I didn't know why she had made this decision, and that it's not really anything to do with me, but I assumed it was because it was less hassle to keep her married name for practical reasons (my sister is a very pragmatic person). I explained this was likely the reason and he continued to state that this was "weird" and "wrong" and could I "suggest" to her that she should revert back to her maiden name. I said this wasn't my place and legally it's her name, and asked why it was a concern to him so many years down the line? He said that I wouldn't understand because I "hadn't been through it", but that this surname was "a part of him" and he didn't need the "constant reminder". Again, I asked how on earth he's being constantly reminded when he literally has no contact with my sister anymore? He couldn't answer this, just said "it's not her identity anymore, it's MY surname". I was going round in circles explaining to him that it was also in fact her legal surname to use as she wished and there was little he could do about that. He then stated that "there is only going to be one Mrs X soon and it's not her". I pointed out that there are many, many Mrs X's in the world and he didn't own the rights to that particular surname. I suggested he just focused on his new relationship/ wife to be and family and move on from what my sister chooses to do / not do. He then became defensive stating that "I don't care about her or what she does but I don't think this is right". I had to end the discussion as we were just going round in unhelpful circles and I was fed up of repeating myself.

I then spoke to my sister and she said he'd also been in touch with her recently out of the blue saying similar things, demanding to know why she wasn't changing her name. She said she told him she'd made a decision to keep the name she was known by in professional circles and just for ease. He was apparently unpleasant towards her so she ended up blocking him, hence he's now badgering her family members.

AIBU that this is just a ridiculous thing to for him to get wound up about? Why now, 6 years down the line is my sister's name suddenly an issue just because he's remarrying?! He surely cannot expect my sister to change her name just because he finds it "weird" and thinks its "not her identity"?! And also why is he bothering me with this?! I assume this has only become an issue because he's getting married again, but why should it matter? For context the surname is a very common one - think Smith / Jones - and so there'll be literally thousands of women with this name across the world and yet his new wife needs to be "the only one"?!

Aside from all of this, what has any of it got to to with me?! I wasn't even married to the guy!

The whole thing has just annoyed and baffled me and just wanted some outside perspectives! Thank you.

OP posts:
Notanotheruser111 · 07/02/2024 19:52

I’ve had my married name for more than half my life, if I divorced I would not change it and if I remarried I don’t think I would change it either. If I had to live life over I wouldn’t have changed it in the first place. But now it’s mine it’s part of my identity.

GabriellaMontez · 07/02/2024 19:52

Creatureofhabit87 · 07/02/2024 19:46

Whilst I don’t agree he should contact you, I do agree it’s weird when people keep their married name if they have no kids and are divorced, I mean why would you want it?!

Its mine and I like it.

Its been mine for many years.

thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 19:59

Creatureofhabit87 · 07/02/2024 19:46

Whilst I don’t agree he should contact you, I do agree it’s weird when people keep their married name if they have no kids and are divorced, I mean why would you want it?!

Why would you want it? I don't think she actively "wants" it, as such. She just doesn't care either way so she's gone with the easiest option, ie do nothing with it.

If your name didn't mean anything to you emotionally, if you regarded it as just a name and nothing more, and if you were professionally well known by that name, why would you go to the hassle of changing it? What's the point?

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Beautiful3 · 07/02/2024 20:00

Omg please send him the screen shot!!!

BirthdayRainbow · 07/02/2024 20:07

Just read OP. Even before I got the bit about just one Mrs X it was obvious he's getting married again and that why he wants your sister to change.

iamwhatiam23 · 07/02/2024 20:15

Definitely his fiancé that has the problem and he's doing the dirty work! My ex and his new wife were exactly the same! I kept my surname because it was easier with the kids having the same name and also easier than changing all my documentation! They were practically apoplectic with rage!

TheFormidableMrsC · 07/02/2024 20:23

This is nuts! I've had similar though. My married surname is fairly unusual but I've had it for 23 years, my son has the same name. It's my name. I'm not changing it for anybody. Why the hell should I? My ex started using his mother's maiden name. I mean grow the fuck up. My ex's gene pool is so weird that people who shouldn't have the revered surname have got it. So as far as I am concerned, it's mine too. If my son changes his surname (which he would like to do when he can legally), I will change mine then.

OP, I'd block him, this is new wife driven without a doubt. How terribly insecure she is. What's she going to do? Write to a million Mrs Smiths and tell them how she they use "her" name. So petty.

PonyPatter44 · 07/02/2024 20:26

He doesn't actually sound very well, does he? I think blocking him is the right thing to do. Can you block people on LinkedIn?

AuContraire · 07/02/2024 20:28

I'd suggest to him that he takes his new wife's surname.

Then block him.

What a loser.

Zanatdy · 07/02/2024 20:30

It’s no doubt as his new wife has an issue with it, given he’s not bothered about it until now. Just block him too and next family member will have to do the same. He doesn’t own the name so it’s tough luck

AGoingConcern · 07/02/2024 20:35

People are so bizarre about names.

That's now her last name just as much as it is his. I know plenty of women who don't change back after divorce for one reason or another - the most common is because changing names in certain professions can be a true ordeal and can have actual financial/career impacts.

He has absolutely no right to ask her to change her name anymore than he would if some new person moved to town with the same name. Set a crystal clear boundry and refuse to engage or even listen to any more talk of this. "I am not willing to discuss [sister] or this topic. Please do not contact me about it again." Unfriend him on social media and block him if he tries again. Give your family a heads up that you've done so and the language so they can do the same if they choose. If he continues this, your sister should honestly consider sending a very blunt email & hard copy letter saying that if he persists down this path she will file a harrassment complaint.

thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 20:36

PonyPatter44 · 07/02/2024 20:26

He doesn't actually sound very well, does he? I think blocking him is the right thing to do. Can you block people on LinkedIn?

I think you can but it won't stop you from appearing in a google search. I tried it earlier as an experiment, I typed my sisters full (married) name into Google plus "LinkedIn" and the top search returned is her. You can then click on her profile and see her picture. I don't think you even have to have a LinkedIn profile to see this.

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Shuggie1234 · 07/02/2024 20:37

I agree with him. I think it’s a bit strange to divorce someone and then keep their name.

Neodymium · 07/02/2024 20:38

💯 would be the new wife.

if men don’t want their partners to keep their surname then they shouldn’t insist on them changing it in the first place.

I was somewhat reluctant to change my surname. But once I did I made it clear that I would never be changing it back if we broke up. I’m only doing it once.

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 07/02/2024 20:39

thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 19:28

find it really odd that I would potentially divorce DH, have another man's child before marrying him, and give that child exDHs surname, when it's neither my family name, nor my new partners, but that of an unrelated man I was once in a relationship with because I "can't be arsed" with the paperwork of changing it back.

This isn't relevant to my sister's situation though? She hasn't had another man's child. She has no kids at all. She's just a single woman with a surname she's had for a lot of years that she wanted to keep. 🤷‍♀️

Well, if you're going to quote the only part of what I wrote that doesn't apply to your sister...

LivingDeadGirlUK · 07/02/2024 20:39

I have the same first name as DP's ex wife, should I ask her to change it?

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 07/02/2024 20:41

Svalberg · 07/02/2024 19:36

So your husband's mother should have changed her name from Mrs CoatOn when you married him so that there weren't two Mrs CoatOns? How odd...

Bit misogynistic to expect women to keep changing their names. I would also imagine that those insisting that women don't have a valid reason for sticking to one name for professional purposes have never worked in a professional field. I once refused to give a reference for Jane Smith because I didn't know her. Turns out I did know her, but as Jane Brown - but it was too late and she didn't get the job, oops, oh well.

Well, no... because she's still part of that family.

thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 20:42

@WillYouPutYourCoatOn

I also commented elsewhere on the other part you said about the wedding ring analogy. I disagree with that, too. It's not the same thing at all.

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thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 20:42

LivingDeadGirlUK · 07/02/2024 20:39

I have the same first name as DP's ex wife, should I ask her to change it?

😂 yes! Immediately.

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thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 20:45

Shuggie1234 · 07/02/2024 20:37

I agree with him. I think it’s a bit strange to divorce someone and then keep their name.

You think it's strange because...?

And what's your view on stalking the LinkedIn profile of your ex wife to check what name she is using 6 years post divorce? When you've previously communicated to her that you don't mind either way if she keeps your name as it's "just a name"? Is that also strange?

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Pssspsss · 07/02/2024 20:45

thisisuttermadness · 07/02/2024 15:54

I'd be pissed off if there was another woman with the name of myself, my husband, and more so my children (which means a great deal to me, it's our family) when she was nothing to do with us, but chose to keep a name that implies she is.

See, I don't get this at all.

As I said earlier, my own partner's ex wife chose to keep his name until only 3 or so years ago when she remarried. My partner and I have been together for 9 years. So for 6 years of the relationship, another woman still had my partner's surname. But how is that affecting my life, in any way? How is it affecting my relationship with my partner?

Incidentally my partner and I aren't married and our child has a double barrelled surname, in the format "my last name-his last name". So technically, if his ex wife hadn't remarried, my child would have shared half of her surname with her father's ex wife. Again, thats not affecting me or my child in any way, is it?

I don't get it, at all.

It’s not that you don’t get it. It’s that you aren’t a jealous fruit loop and you’ve got a sensible pragmatic head on your shoulders.

Honestly, he’s either getting his head pecked from his wife to be or she’s messaging off his account.

i like a previous posters suggestion of all changing your names on socials to his 😂😂😂 but I’m a dick like that

Noideawwhatsoccuring · 07/02/2024 20:46

I changed my name back to my maiden name. I regretted taking his, but I was young and just went with what I thought you should. I was so glad to change back.

However, it’s not just his name. It’s her name. It became her name when she chose to change it. It didn’t become not her own name because they got divorced.

I don’t like his attitude of ‘yeah change your name to mine. Make it your legal name but you have to drop it if I ever change my mind’. Once she changed her name it became her name.

Anyone could change their name to his if they wanted.

I know someone whose ex wife started using his surname a year after the divorce. When she got wind he was seeing someone else. She had never used his name during the time they were married. That was a bit weird.

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 07/02/2024 20:47

StaunchMomma · 07/02/2024 19:46

I bet it's the new Mrs who is pissed about it.

Tough.

Why should your Dsis let go of the name she's well known as professionally? Even without that, it's a pain to change names on documents/passports etc. She's entitled to keep the name and it doesn't affect him one jot whether she does or not.

I agree that blocking and forgetting about him is the way forward.

I agree with all of this. It's more just because you're entitled to something, doesn't necessarily mean it's the right thing to do.

I guess this is one of those things that people feel opposingly strong about. Neither camp is correct over and above the other. It all comes down to you as a person

BirthdayRainbow · 07/02/2024 20:48

I'm thinking of changing mine to my first boyfriends original surname 😂.

what title is one supposed to use after divorce?

Containerhome · 07/02/2024 20:48

It's not his name as not one person owns a name, and you can legally change your name to whatever you like.

Is it a common name too OP? Like Smith or something 🤣