To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

Why do the GC feminists on here believe Sunak’s stance on gender ? His past record on honesty is not good. Worked for the arch liar Johnson. Lied over partygate.
Why is he Teflon coated ?
How can allegedly left leaning women kick their political ideals into the gutter and potentially vote for the tories considering the rest of their historical baggage ?
If they had an exemplary record in government, fair enough. If they’d achieved great things, super, the whole country can bask in the continued success of their policies. But the country is quite clearly a mess, nothing works, why vote for more of it just because members of the Tory party utter a few vaguely gender critical words but importantly have done nothing in 14 years to change things ?

For the umpteenth time:

The relevant part of this article is this:

We need to recognise that sex and gender are different – as the Equality Act does. We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act. Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services.

Single sex exemptions under the Equality Act use the Equality Act definition of SEX which includes both people of the sex (biological) PLUS people with a GRC the legal SEX. This has been confirmed by the recent judgement of Lady Haldene.

The impact of the Haldene judgement was outlined by the EHRC -

A spokesperson for the Equality and Human Rights Commission said:

“The Equality and Human Rights Commission works to promote and uphold Britain’s equality laws.

“This means we have a duty to make sure the law is interpreted clearly and correctly, particularly – as in this case – the Equality Act 2010. The law concerning matters of sex and gender can be complex, and clarity is essential for the public bodies, employers, service providers and people across the country who rely on it.

“We welcome this judgment which confirms that the effect of a Gender Recognition Certificate is to change a person’s legal sex, including for the purposes of the Equality Act.

“We will take the outcome of this judicial review, and all other legal rulings, into account in our ongoing work as the regulator of the Equality Act.”

So the CURRENT legal position which the Labour Party does not intend to change states that single sex provisions for women are for WOMEN and MEN WITH A GRC THAT STATE THAT THEY ARE LEGAL WOMEN.

So single sex spaces are in fact mixed sex.

Add to that that no provider can require a copy of a GRC (with very limited exceptions) and hey presto - you have self ID through the back door.

Edited to clarify that the term biological woman has no basis in law. the words do not even appear in the Equality Act.

I doubt they will read this @lifeturnsonadime

But others might so keep posting as you do

I think there are two types of posters, one has there fingers in their ears and don't want it to be true and are not prepared the follow the sources I have posted to see that it is.

Then there are ones that know what I am saying is true but don't care, because Labour are GOOD and right side of history and why do women's rights matter anyway?

Here's what the Tory government have said.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/18/theresa-may-plans-to-let-people-change-gender-without-medical-checks

https://debbiehayton.com/2021/03/17/why-does-penny-mordaunt-think-trans-men-are-men/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1501654/Boris-Johnson-GB-News-latest-Conservative-Party-speech-woke-cancel-culture-woman-cervix-vn/amp

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/4517255-JHB-asks-Rishi-Sunak-what-is-a-woman

Gillian Keegan Sec. of State for Education was unable to define the word "girl". They still haven't removed all the male offenders from the women's prisons they put them in.

@TooBigForMyBoots some of those articles are years old.

What Teresa May said in 2017 is not the current position (to give one example).

The Tories are the government. The erosion of women's rights happened under their eye and because of their policies.

@lifeturnsonadime apart gender ideology which the tories haven’t sorted despite 14 years in government what else do you agree with them on ? Are you happy with the Rwanda project ? Are you happy about withdrawing from human rights legislation ?

Yes we know that. But due to legislation introduced by the last Labour Government.

You'd think that know the consequences to women are clear that the Labour Party might want to rectify it wouldn't you?

No. I don't vote Tory. That's one of the reasons.

This thread is about Labour's refusal to put things right for women, not about bad Tory policies.

@lifeturnsonadime Fair enough. The problem is that many left wing GC women are saying they’ll vote for the Conservatives which I find mind boggling tbh. They really should not be rewarded with votes for the last 14 of absolute chaos that they’ve caused. Fwiw I absolutely get your concerns.

Because the Tories thought it expedient to backtrack. I don’t imagine the position has changed at all. Let’s face it they need all the votes they can get now so they’ll say anything. And yes I know you won’t vote Tory @lifeturnsonadime but there are plenty of single issue voters who will.

It's only very recently (post 2017) that the full impact on women has been clear. Isla Bryson was only last year, that was the case that made it clear in the minds of the public.

Both parties ought to bloody well prioritise women's rights now that the harms to women are clear to all.

The thing is, regardless of whether we agree with their choices or not, people are free to vote for whichever party they want to, for whatever reason.

Yes they ought. Shame only one of them is - women’s right to just about everything has been decimated in the last 14 years.

I'm confused. Which party is prioritising women's rights at the moment? I mean actually women. The old fashioned kind.

Thank you!
Tories do it and change their mind - its "years old" and "irrelevant"
Labour do it and change their mind - its a "u turn" and "can't be trusted"

Striking double standards.

Labour are (I think) the only party currently putting women's needs at the centre of their policy plans.

Labour are the only party who have committed to protecting spaces for biological women only.

None of them are pledging to get rid of the GRA hence none of them are protecting single sex spaces, if you believe lifes legal analysis. IANAL so couldn't comment.

Which means that point 2 can't happen. Which means it's not true.

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Honestly. I make a factual statement about what Labour have committed to and get that.

If its not true for Labour its not true for any party. Hence not an issue worth voting on. Unless you are a 🦃

It doesn’t matter what you post for those who resort to rudeness or insults

But many not posting but reading will agree, looking at the yanbu

Do you have anything to add about your views Eastern or are you just here to cheerlead your gang?

oh my good god. Labour are absolutely not protecting actual single sex spaces. Just spaces for actual women plus any bloke who says he's a woman.

please point me to a factual statement? I just saw a massive misrepresentation of the facts to the extent that its complete bollocks

Just like the Tories. You do realise that repeal of the GRA won’t appear in any manifesto, don’t you? Well it might in 2029 if Badenock is leader I suppose but I somehow doubt it.