To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

She wrote an article about Debbie Hayton a self confessed AGP.

She used female pronouns about Debbie which some people objected too and some people also felt that she downplayed the impact on Stephanie, Debbie's wife and their children.

Referring to this has nothing to do with the point of this thread though. That Labour is not doing enough to protect women's rights.

Yet another irrelevant deflection.

as long as you respect other's opinions of course. mine is that it's an abusive act for any male to demand to be called she. And that Kier Starmer is a dangerous misogynist.

Yeah, let's not talk about how some GC Ultras attack other women for wrong think, in a manner very reminiscent of TRA #nodebate. That's boring.
It's much more useful to make out Labour are the ones who hate women, when they try to navigate a democratic way through this absolute shitshow

Starmer is a dangerous misogynist? Examples please.

As does the complete lack of empathy required to be a TRA or say that TWAW or to say that women have penises. I hope people are also reflecting on the real distress Starmer causes to the traumatised women he wants to withdrew support services feom or lock up with males.

women can have penises. hounding Rosie Duffield. It shouldn't be said that only women have cervixes.

You won't find that I have attacked anyone.

It is still completely irrelevant to the fact that Labour doesn't want to do the right thing by women by keeping women's single sex spaces free from males and protecting children.

I'm willing to bet Janice Turner has done more for women's rights than anyone posting on this thread. Yet some GC people are throwing her to the wolves for "wrongthink". That's not any feminism I recognise.

Same. I have huge respect for Janice. I’ve just caught up with the hate fest on X. Fortunately I imagine she’s tough enough not to let it get to her.

It's not either or you know. Labour can just choose to stand up for what's right. They will make some enemies of TRAs but that is only stopping them if they choose to let it.

Using Janice Turner as a Squirrel in the last 3 pages of a thread about Labour failing women is so fascinating.

It is still completely irrelevant to the fact that Labour doesn't want to do the right thing by women by keeping women's single sex spaces free from males

But Labour has said they want to preserve single sex spaces.

We can't be back here again, surely? their definition of single sex includes males with GRC and possibly who want one, or don't want one but consider themselves a woman. Aka they are mixed sex.

You clearly haven't read my posts which have set out why they can't do that under existing laws (that they introduced).

And why, unless they commit to amendment of either the GRA or the EquA to make it clear that legal females are excluded from the defintion of female under the EquA, their commitment is an empty promise.

They could so easily put this right.

They know what they have to do, but don't.

I hope people are also reflecting on the real distress Starmer causes to the traumatised women he wants to withdrew support services feom or lock up with males.

There are very few support services left to withdraw, the Tories have cut them all. Oh and they’ve also allowed men into women’s prisons.

And Labour's Nandy thinks that transgender rapists should still be in women's prisons even after all of the harms of the last few years!

No need to be snippy.

I’ve read every one of your posts @lifeturnsonadime. To be fair if you’ve read one you’ve read them all. The constant repetition doesn’t make them any more convincing. There are two deeply entrenched positions on this thread. It boils down to those of us who believe the Labour shadow cabinet and those who don’t. Nobody’s going to change their mind.

I don't think she specified rapists, to be fair, but I don't particilarly agree with her on this.

She was definitely talking about child rapists

Here

I wouldn't have to repeat it so often if people didn't keep making things up about the Labour Party position.

That you are not convinced by the actual wording of legislation drafted by the Labour Party and the judgement of Lady Haldene is interesting. I don't make the laws. I'm simply describing them.

I can't believe how circular these conversations are. We know that You don't have some special insight here. all parties have let us down. Labour, however refuse to acknowledge that and indeed maintain that their antiwomen stance is some sort of progress. It sick.

Yes. why is it women don't belive labour's hald hearted declarations re women's spaces???

Nobody’s made anything up except you. From the horse’s mouth.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

These statements blimey