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To answer my friend honestly about her partner

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Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 09:11

Context: My best friend from school and I have fairly infrequent contact now, but are both still available when one or other needs something ( like an opinion or a venting row about something). We don’t see each other much for geographical, familial commitment and conflicting work schedules. My friend has one child from a previous relationship which ended with acrimonious divorce and complex nasty custody battle.
When she met that person I did not like him, told her so nicely ( when she asked for my honest opinion- not unsolicited) and it changed our relationship for a long time. When she got divorced she actually confessed that my concerns about him had been entirely valid and she wished she had listened. I never hold this against her because we’ve all been guilty of being ‘rose tinted’ about partners at some point. After the divorce our relationship returned to how its was pre mariage.

She has a new partner of approximately one year. They appear very happy together and have moved in together- she plans to have another child ( his first bio) soon. He has fully accepted her daughter and has stepped into the ‘ dad’ role fully.

We arranged for us to all meet up recently and she wanted my honest opinion about him. I’m really torn about being honest with her again and potentially ruining our relationship or not acting on my gut and telling her a blasé “ yea he’s nice” answer.

I don’t have issues with everyone at all; in fact I can think of very few other people I don’t like. On the surface there is nothing to dislike about him. He’s polite and as above seemingly makes her feel good/ happy. I just didn’t warm to him initially and always trust my gut , but gave him benefit of doubt ( maybes he’s nervous etc).

However, my toddler took herself to the toilet in our house, then shouted for me when she needed her bum wiping ( as is normal for ourhouse) he got up at the same time as me and I assumed he was going to check on his step daughter who was playing alone in our house at that point. He wasn’t; he opened the toilet door and went to wipe my toddlers bum. Thankfully I was only a step behind him, slid myself between him and her and closed the door, saying that I would do it. My toddler looked terrified at someone she just met an hour earlier being in the bathroom with her ( she’s fairly shy and had barely spoken to him).
it made me REALLY uncomfortable, but I tried to think maybe he was just trying to be helpful although it couldn’t shake being uncomfortable.

later the same day me, my partner, my friend and the new boyfriend went for dinner with their 1 child, our toddler and our 8m old. During dinner our toddler asked her dad to pass some crayons, and the boyfriend seemingly misheard and said “ oh you need the toilet , I’ll take you, come on”. Before I even had chance to interject my partner had immediately said no and passed her the crayons she had actually asked for.

the boyfriend also undermined us several times ( for health reasons we don’t allow our toddler commercial desserts because we can’t measure the sugar in them) their daughter was having a dessert and we had said our toddler could have fruit ( she’s normally very happy with this), she had a bit of envy and asked why she couldn’t have chocolate brownies too and I explained it, she accepted it and then immediately after, the boyfriend said “ don’t listen to mummy uncle will buy you a brownie”. Again we stopped this, but there was a few incidents throughout the day of this nature.

I have real concerns as to his safety around small girls although I have nothing more than my opinion/ feelings to present to my friend.

my friend has text asking “ what do you think?”
would it be unreasonable based on the described incident above to answer her honestly saying that I have some concerns or should I give a safe answer of “ yeah he seems nice”.

OP posts:
ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 05/02/2024 21:14

Lwrenn · 05/02/2024 20:28

OP hi, I'm very proud of you.

I've worked with child sex offenders as a support worker and I also sadly through various walks of life met many of them. I have taken children into my home that have been abused as a guardian for them. So I've done courses looking for risks as well as the good old "gut feeling" so I tend to know when something is off. Actually I'm not giving myself credit, I have always known.
I unfortunately know a lot of nonces, is my point and I also know a lot of people who aren't.
I can say with extreme confidence the only time I've ever encountered someone with the behaviour that you describe, it has been from someone with a predilection towards children and they've been predatory enough to act up on their fantasies about kids.

I hope she listens to you but the fact she's vulnerable in relationships makes me suspect she won't, some women are happy to use their dc as bait to keep a fella. (This was the case for the child I had live with me)

You've done the right thing. I would bet my last fiver that this man is a paedophile. And quite honestly, even if he's just a creep with piss poor boundaries it's irrelevant, their is a risk of uncertainty there and no child deserves to be collateral damage whilst we sit around and find out if he's a danger or not. You've 100% done the correct thing and don't doubt it.
No risk is worth taking when it comes to the safety of children.

OP is there any chance you could pursuade your friend to read this thread, and in particular this post? One person saying it might not get through to her, but lots of people might.

Seagrassbasket · 05/02/2024 21:15

Ha agree about the mama bear. Also our instincts are so heightened around our kids I think.

Also agree about the Clare’s Law thing. But I don’t know what else to say - I don’t know if the police would take it seriously as there’s not actually a crime been committed. Maybe someone with more knowledge will come along and give more info about that.

I do think it’s great you’ve told her mum. But I also think that by the time she gets to know anything it will be too late, iyswim (if it’s not already).

I don’t know. I feel for you. What a horrible situation to be in.

Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 21:29

@ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine unlikely. She has removed me from all SM, and my message has come back undelivered so I imagine I’ve been blocked too 🥲. I know she does actually read mumsnet sometimes so maybe she will come across it and recognise that it’s her. But I hold little hope.

OP posts:
ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 05/02/2024 21:33

Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 21:29

@ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine unlikely. She has removed me from all SM, and my message has come back undelivered so I imagine I’ve been blocked too 🥲. I know she does actually read mumsnet sometimes so maybe she will come across it and recognise that it’s her. But I hold little hope.

Oh I'm so sorry. You did what you had to do. How she reacts is down to her, but you really didn't have a choice.

Rockschooldropout · 05/02/2024 21:43

Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 21:29

@ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine unlikely. She has removed me from all SM, and my message has come back undelivered so I imagine I’ve been blocked too 🥲. I know she does actually read mumsnet sometimes so maybe she will come across it and recognise that it’s her. But I hold little hope.

That’s a real shame 😫 but not unexpected.. you’ve done the right thing though don’t forget that

Skye99 · 05/02/2024 21:44

Well done OP. I think you did the right thing.

sanferryanne · 05/02/2024 21:49

Red flag city. Both the toilet situation and "don't listen to mummy". If anyone had ever said that in front of me after five minutes acquaintance I'd have called them out on it there and then in no uncertain terms. Your instincts are uneasy for a reason, please listen to them.

MamaAlwaysknowsbest · 05/02/2024 21:49

I would be honestly, horrified by this man. Honestly, obsessed with girls toileting ????

justwantobeamum · 05/02/2024 22:03

Well done Op, you did the right thing for this little girl. Friendship is nothing compared to the safety of her 4yo. Unfortunately though there is no professional involvement so everyone basically just has to hope this is the wrong end of the stick and he’s not abusing her poor DD. How long ago did these incidents with your toddler happen? I think this definitely should have been raised with her immediately after, not just when she asked your opinion. If there’s been a long gap she might now be thinking you can’t be that concerned or you would have said at the time which is making her more defensive. Good on you for also getting in touch with her mum.

TheGreatGherkin · 05/02/2024 22:05

Could you have a word with your friend's mother re putting in a Sarah's Law request? She may have more information about this man than you do.

Popcorn23 · 05/02/2024 22:14

I don't say this lightly - he sounds like a proper creep or worse. You need to tell your friend the truth as it doesn't sound like he should be around children. There is absolutely no reason for him to be with your child in a bathroom- you don't know him. You will be doing your friend a favour here.

Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 22:16

@justwantobeamum it’s less than 24 hours. She messaged about 2 hours after we left but I didn’t respond whilst I considered my options.

had the conversation today at the first opportunity I had without little ears being privy to it

OP posts:
BenjaminBunnyRabbit · 05/02/2024 22:29

She asked your opinion and you gave it. You've absolutely done the right thing. A bloke rushing to help a young child with their toileting is NOT NORMAL.

If you are concerned about her daughter you can always flag it as a safeguarding concern to the local MASH team so he is on the radar. I think it is probably better to err on the side of caution when it comes to children.

NYCItsOnlyMe · 05/02/2024 22:35

Think of a decent man you know. A work colleague, a neighbour, a friend's DH, your brother or Uncle or Dad. I'm betting (in fact I'm knowing) they would ALL be absolutely horrified by this and would never, even though entirely innocent, be putting themselves in this situation in a million years. It's just fucking wrong. As a PP said even if it's just a misunderstanding and he's socially unaware or lacking boundaries etc it would be obvious in every aspect of his character not just one. I'd be getting professional advice on this guy. Creepy as fuck.

MakeEconomyScream · 05/02/2024 22:38

Hi OP - I wish more people were like you and stood up for the safety of children. I wonder if a call to child services/health visiting team in the area saying this man’s name and you’re worried about boundaries with the girl might be in order? If he’s known to them then that might trigger something. He’s probably not though. I have a bad feeling about this one.

PurpleBugz · 05/02/2024 22:41

WrylyAmused · 05/02/2024 09:22

Don't reply by text.

Go out for coffee and tell her the whole thing, cos then you can assess how she's taking it, & talk through with her.
Because as you said, she was there too, so you can say "You know when XYZ happened, I thought that was odd and [whatever else], did you notice that? What did you think?"
If she ignored your feelings last time, it might be better to try to get her to be aware of odd incidents herself, as people come to conclusions better for themselves than being told.
And if she saw those things as you reported them but doesn't think there's an issue when her attention is specifically drawn to them, then you also have your answer, but maybe in a softer way without damaging the friendship again.

What you're saying there is a whole conversation, not a few lines in text, which almost certainly wouldn't come across well.

Edited

This is the advice I would give ^^

Doobeedoobeedoobee · 05/02/2024 23:03

If she’s got a young daughter, I think you should say something to her in a way you think has the best chance of being heard.
its tough but that girls safety is more important than you friendship
xxx

SomeCatFromJapan · 05/02/2024 23:08

Please, last few posters, read the updates.

kcchiefette · 05/02/2024 23:21

If she's blocked you, its hit a nerve.

She will come back in few months time with tail between her legs as she did with ex hubby.

canyouseemyhousefromhere · 05/02/2024 23:23

I outlined the scenario to my dh. As soon as I said that the bf went into the toilet & said he'd wipe her bottom my dh face told it all , together with 'he's obviously a predator ' . You have definitely done the right thing. Perhaps send some of this thread's comments to her mum. You're an awesome mum & friend. ❤️

Mistlebough · 05/02/2024 23:32

Talk to her honestly OPit’s clear you are picking up red flags and he could well be a paedophile. It’s worth losing her friendship to speak up for her child. Is there a way she can check if he has any record for this? You’ve been put in a horrible situation but safeguarding has to come first.

Mistlebough · 05/02/2024 23:41

Just read your update. Well done OP you have done a really difficult thing but it was the right thing to do.

Frangipanyoul8r · 05/02/2024 23:48

i know you’re clearly very damaged by your dickhead ex husband

That is a horrible thing to say. You are calling a victim of DV damaged. That isn’t her identity, is something she has been through. I know you were trying to be helpful but to say that over a message is cruel. You could have just told her about the toilet incidents without making a personal dig about her being damaged.

NYCItsOnlyMe · 06/02/2024 01:29

Frangipanyoul8r · 05/02/2024 23:48

i know you’re clearly very damaged by your dickhead ex husband

That is a horrible thing to say. You are calling a victim of DV damaged. That isn’t her identity, is something she has been through. I know you were trying to be helpful but to say that over a message is cruel. You could have just told her about the toilet incidents without making a personal dig about her being damaged.

Bollocks. She is calling a victim of DV damaged because she is damaged. It's not an insult. It's a fact. Being damaged is nothing to be ashamed of.

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