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To answer my friend honestly about her partner

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Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 09:11

Context: My best friend from school and I have fairly infrequent contact now, but are both still available when one or other needs something ( like an opinion or a venting row about something). We don’t see each other much for geographical, familial commitment and conflicting work schedules. My friend has one child from a previous relationship which ended with acrimonious divorce and complex nasty custody battle.
When she met that person I did not like him, told her so nicely ( when she asked for my honest opinion- not unsolicited) and it changed our relationship for a long time. When she got divorced she actually confessed that my concerns about him had been entirely valid and she wished she had listened. I never hold this against her because we’ve all been guilty of being ‘rose tinted’ about partners at some point. After the divorce our relationship returned to how its was pre mariage.

She has a new partner of approximately one year. They appear very happy together and have moved in together- she plans to have another child ( his first bio) soon. He has fully accepted her daughter and has stepped into the ‘ dad’ role fully.

We arranged for us to all meet up recently and she wanted my honest opinion about him. I’m really torn about being honest with her again and potentially ruining our relationship or not acting on my gut and telling her a blasé “ yea he’s nice” answer.

I don’t have issues with everyone at all; in fact I can think of very few other people I don’t like. On the surface there is nothing to dislike about him. He’s polite and as above seemingly makes her feel good/ happy. I just didn’t warm to him initially and always trust my gut , but gave him benefit of doubt ( maybes he’s nervous etc).

However, my toddler took herself to the toilet in our house, then shouted for me when she needed her bum wiping ( as is normal for ourhouse) he got up at the same time as me and I assumed he was going to check on his step daughter who was playing alone in our house at that point. He wasn’t; he opened the toilet door and went to wipe my toddlers bum. Thankfully I was only a step behind him, slid myself between him and her and closed the door, saying that I would do it. My toddler looked terrified at someone she just met an hour earlier being in the bathroom with her ( she’s fairly shy and had barely spoken to him).
it made me REALLY uncomfortable, but I tried to think maybe he was just trying to be helpful although it couldn’t shake being uncomfortable.

later the same day me, my partner, my friend and the new boyfriend went for dinner with their 1 child, our toddler and our 8m old. During dinner our toddler asked her dad to pass some crayons, and the boyfriend seemingly misheard and said “ oh you need the toilet , I’ll take you, come on”. Before I even had chance to interject my partner had immediately said no and passed her the crayons she had actually asked for.

the boyfriend also undermined us several times ( for health reasons we don’t allow our toddler commercial desserts because we can’t measure the sugar in them) their daughter was having a dessert and we had said our toddler could have fruit ( she’s normally very happy with this), she had a bit of envy and asked why she couldn’t have chocolate brownies too and I explained it, she accepted it and then immediately after, the boyfriend said “ don’t listen to mummy uncle will buy you a brownie”. Again we stopped this, but there was a few incidents throughout the day of this nature.

I have real concerns as to his safety around small girls although I have nothing more than my opinion/ feelings to present to my friend.

my friend has text asking “ what do you think?”
would it be unreasonable based on the described incident above to answer her honestly saying that I have some concerns or should I give a safe answer of “ yeah he seems nice”.

OP posts:
FlickFlackTrap · 05/02/2024 17:59

OP I think it has already been said but please contact her local police force and request a Sarah’s and Clare’s law for her, just in case there is something she needs to be aware of.
Your concerns will also be logged should any searches on the child or him be conducted in the future.

Speckledpasta · 05/02/2024 17:59

If you think he is a danger to children then your friendship is immaterial

Tartantotty · 05/02/2024 18:00

Be balanced, say that you enjoyed his company etc. but also tell her that you were surprised about the toilet thing. Don't do it by text. Tell her over a coffee.

KreedKafer · 05/02/2024 18:01

i have also contacted her mother who is involved in their life on a day to day basis ( whom i am still in Christmas card level contact with) and raised my concerns. She said she couldn’t put her finger on what was amiss but didn’t like him either

I think speaking to your friend's mum was very wise of you. And how interesting that she also has a bad feeling about your friend's partner.

What you said to your friend was entirely reasonable and you have done the right thing. I'm really sorry she's not speaking to you, but you've done the right thing for your own family and you've done all you can reasonably do to try to make her see what might be wrong here.

SapphireSeptember · 05/02/2024 18:02

I think I've taken my friend's DD to the loo once, and I didn't stand in the cubicle with her, just held the door closed and waited for her to finish, then helped her wash her hands. I even made a point of saying I wasn't coming in with her because I'm not her mummy! Normal behaviour for a woman who knows about safeguarding. I've known my friend for years, long before she had her DD, and she obviously trusts me enough to take said DD to the loo, but I didn't feel it was right for me to go in the cubicle with her.

This however, is giving off major creepy vibes.

Bigcat25 · 05/02/2024 18:03

Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 17:40

@Merryoldgoat
thank you. It did not feel amazing I can assure
you. Hoping now I’ve raised my concerns the constant nauseated feeling eases… barely slept last night wondering what to do!

actually I think I feel sick because I can’t believe my friend is choosing to be so blind and thick.

Edited

Very well done OP! I been feeling a bit sick reading about this too.

To bad your friend considers the prospect of dumping him an "impossible situation." Maybe she'll come around.

GreenEyedMonsterMunch · 05/02/2024 18:11

Regardless of how she tried to excuse it when you brought it up, you've opened her eyes now. She will hopefully be more aware now and even if she believes you are completely wrong, she will be watching more carefully whether she thinks so or not.

Brainstorm23 · 05/02/2024 18:12

I'm a man and would never ever take a child who was not mine (of either sex) to the bathroom or assist them in the bathroom. It's just not something a normal man does especially when both parents are present.

Only in an absolute emergency would I even consider it and if I had to I would be having a chat to the parents to explain exactly why I had done so.

What your friend's partner did shows a complete lack of boundaries and is downright weird even without considering the more sinister reasons.

I haven't read the full thread but as much as people don't like to admit it there is a difference between men and women in this regard.

Like you my DD is rarely out of mine or my wife's care except for school. On occasion the mums of her friends have taken her to the toilet at events when they were taking their DD but that is very rare. I wouldn't do the same with the dads.

I think you did the right thing in speaking to your friend and also to her mother.

Itslegitimatesalvage · 05/02/2024 18:15

@Whatdoyouthink65
I’m curious how she actually excused his opening the bathroom door on your daughter and going in to wipe her? Even if I was with a man who didn’t give off any vibe and was amazing… if my best friend told me that story, I’d be furious at his behaviour, even if I didn’t want to believe it, I’d be thinking what has he done to my child? Have I missed something? How did she just… excuse it?

LegallyBrunette01 · 05/02/2024 18:18

Well done OP you handled the situation perfectly, I can see that was a very difficult conversation for you, and very wise informing her mother. The ball is in your friend's court now over whether she protects her DD. I was struck in your update that he picks her up from dance class weekly and is very involved. I feel for your friend, as he is making himself indispensable and like she finally has a perfect family unit, that is what will all feel so difficult. She must put her daughter's safety as a priority and hopefully once the shock of your call has worn off she will start looking at things clearly and speaking to her DD when he isn't around.

Mainats · 05/02/2024 18:19

graceinspace999 · 05/02/2024 10:18

Any adult has a duty to report where child safeguarding issues arise.

There are huge red flags here - the offer to wipe a strangers child’s bum is not just inappropriate it’s absolutely dangerous behaviour.

If your friend won’t listen then I’d report him to the relevant authorities in your country.

The most important issue here is not your friends feelings but her child’s safety.

Yep. I'd be seriously tempted to quietly alert social services.

Sureaseggs44 · 05/02/2024 18:21

I don’t even like the bit where he calls himself uncle on a first meeting . Creepy .

sugarrosepetal · 05/02/2024 18:22

I agree with wrylyamused. Meet her for a coffee on her own and have a chat. Personally, I'd be voicing my concerns whether my friend liked it or not. There is a child potentially at risk here. I'm female and if I had just met my partner's friends and children, there's no way I'd be going to the toilet to wipe their child's bottom when they asked their parents for help. It's highly inappropriate and sets off alarm bells. It may have been slightly different if you or the child had asked for help from the person to pass some wipes or something through the door but then he went on to (purposely) redirect your child to the toilet when asking for crayons at the restaurant. In my opinion

This guy sounds predatory and best kept away from children

Over40Overdating · 05/02/2024 18:23

Well done @Whatdoyouthink65. It takes a lot of courage to have a convo like that so directly but hopefully now it’s done and the grandparents know, and your friend has the seeds sown, if he is a danger he will piss off now he knows he’s being monitored and no one is buying his act.

Everything about your encounter with him was inappropriate and even if he isn’t a sexual predator, the fact he’s so clueless when it comes to boundaries still bodes badly for that little girl, who is clearly being hung out for the wolves by her desperate mother who’d rather have a boyfriend than a safe child.

I hope your actions give the rest of her family the courage to step in now.

AmethystSparkles · 05/02/2024 18:27

Yes you’re morally obliged to tell her and if you lose her friendship so be it.

That’s what I’d do and if she didn’t listen I’d report my concerns to social services/nspcc.

sugarrosepetal · 05/02/2024 18:32

Sorry OP, I hadn't read the full thread

Pipsquiggle · 05/02/2024 18:37

Well done OP for telling your friend and her mum your thoughts. Hopefully, one of them will request a Claire's law background check.

Unfortunately, if you're right, it's no coincidence that this man preyed on your friend - past abusive relationships, the 'need' to be with a man and with a child make them vulnerable.

I really hope you are wrong. You definitely did the right thing.

MyLadyTheKingsMother · 05/02/2024 18:39

Nobody actively wants to help a child wipe their arse. Even their parents. If they do there is something wrong with them.

diddl · 05/02/2024 18:42

Is she likely to listen or make excuses for him?

Talk to him & believe his excuses?

Even if you talk to her you still might need to tell SS?

TheGreatGherkin · 05/02/2024 18:42

Sarahs Law info from the Met Police

Anyone can request this information eg friends, neighbours

bobby39 · 05/02/2024 18:42

please contact the police and do as the above poster suggested. I remember reading an article about a woman who unknowingly went out with a paedophile, and read that he was always taking children to the toilet at wedding and parties etc. I think your friend sounds very naive and action needs to be taken now.

ChanelExhibitionVisitor · 05/02/2024 18:49

Well done @Whatdoyouthink65 💐
There's none so blind as those who will not see, sadly.
So glad you have spoken with your friend's Mum.

Threecrows · 05/02/2024 18:50

@Whatdoyouthink65 just saw the update…god, that’s depressing isn’t it?

I hope OP has planted the seed of doubt. Hopefully her parents will also keep an eye on this situation.

WimbyAce · 05/02/2024 18:50

The toilet thing is def odd. I can't imagine a virtual stranger rushing to help with that especially when the parents are right there.

martinisforeveryone · 05/02/2024 18:53

my opinions are based on one day of first impressions and I REALLY would LOVE TO BE WRONG, ( which is rare).
No, it's based on heightened instincts and his behaviour, plus your DH's judgement and your friend's own mother knowing something's not quite right. Then there's almost unilateral agreement from all the posts here.

@Whatdoyouthink65 does your friend's mother know of Sarah's Law do you know? Could you double check and encourage her to make an investigation.