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To answer my friend honestly about her partner

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Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 09:11

Context: My best friend from school and I have fairly infrequent contact now, but are both still available when one or other needs something ( like an opinion or a venting row about something). We don’t see each other much for geographical, familial commitment and conflicting work schedules. My friend has one child from a previous relationship which ended with acrimonious divorce and complex nasty custody battle.
When she met that person I did not like him, told her so nicely ( when she asked for my honest opinion- not unsolicited) and it changed our relationship for a long time. When she got divorced she actually confessed that my concerns about him had been entirely valid and she wished she had listened. I never hold this against her because we’ve all been guilty of being ‘rose tinted’ about partners at some point. After the divorce our relationship returned to how its was pre mariage.

She has a new partner of approximately one year. They appear very happy together and have moved in together- she plans to have another child ( his first bio) soon. He has fully accepted her daughter and has stepped into the ‘ dad’ role fully.

We arranged for us to all meet up recently and she wanted my honest opinion about him. I’m really torn about being honest with her again and potentially ruining our relationship or not acting on my gut and telling her a blasé “ yea he’s nice” answer.

I don’t have issues with everyone at all; in fact I can think of very few other people I don’t like. On the surface there is nothing to dislike about him. He’s polite and as above seemingly makes her feel good/ happy. I just didn’t warm to him initially and always trust my gut , but gave him benefit of doubt ( maybes he’s nervous etc).

However, my toddler took herself to the toilet in our house, then shouted for me when she needed her bum wiping ( as is normal for ourhouse) he got up at the same time as me and I assumed he was going to check on his step daughter who was playing alone in our house at that point. He wasn’t; he opened the toilet door and went to wipe my toddlers bum. Thankfully I was only a step behind him, slid myself between him and her and closed the door, saying that I would do it. My toddler looked terrified at someone she just met an hour earlier being in the bathroom with her ( she’s fairly shy and had barely spoken to him).
it made me REALLY uncomfortable, but I tried to think maybe he was just trying to be helpful although it couldn’t shake being uncomfortable.

later the same day me, my partner, my friend and the new boyfriend went for dinner with their 1 child, our toddler and our 8m old. During dinner our toddler asked her dad to pass some crayons, and the boyfriend seemingly misheard and said “ oh you need the toilet , I’ll take you, come on”. Before I even had chance to interject my partner had immediately said no and passed her the crayons she had actually asked for.

the boyfriend also undermined us several times ( for health reasons we don’t allow our toddler commercial desserts because we can’t measure the sugar in them) their daughter was having a dessert and we had said our toddler could have fruit ( she’s normally very happy with this), she had a bit of envy and asked why she couldn’t have chocolate brownies too and I explained it, she accepted it and then immediately after, the boyfriend said “ don’t listen to mummy uncle will buy you a brownie”. Again we stopped this, but there was a few incidents throughout the day of this nature.

I have real concerns as to his safety around small girls although I have nothing more than my opinion/ feelings to present to my friend.

my friend has text asking “ what do you think?”
would it be unreasonable based on the described incident above to answer her honestly saying that I have some concerns or should I give a safe answer of “ yeah he seems nice”.

OP posts:
LightsCameraBloodyDoSomething · 05/02/2024 17:19

Bloody well done, OP.

I also wonder about a social services call but it will of course be obvious it was you and would very likely end the friendship and any distance monitoring you might be able to do. Tricky.

I'm so sorry about your experience of reporting a DV suspicion and the outcome of that by the way. How horrible for you.

TheGreatGherkin · 05/02/2024 17:20

Just read your update. You friend is blinded by romance. You need to make your concerns official.

Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 17:21

@Puzzledandpissedoff
her mum and dad provides childcare a few days a fortnight and live within 15 minutes of her. She has tea with them at least once a week so they are much better placed to discuss with her DD, ask appropriate questions, and monitor for behaviour changes. They can also observe all interactions and form their own opinion.

my opinions are based on one day of first impressions and I REALLY would LOVE TO BE WRONG, ( which is rare).

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Threecrows · 05/02/2024 17:22

Dutch1e · 05/02/2024 14:56

I'd be very blunt, with total understanding that it may be the end of the friendship.

Those of us with a history of abuse are probably feeling the hairs on the backs of our necks stand up reading your post.

Pushing boundaries of parental authority ("don't listen to Mummy") is a classic grooming technique. I don't care that he hasn't done anything in particular, I don't care that there are plenty of ways to explain it away, I don't even care about being fair or kind. I do care that he pinged your radar and your friend asked you directly.

That combination would make it impossible for me to be vague or diplomatic.

100 agree with this!

I also wonder if she is having doubts about him but is worried that she is overthinking it because of her past experience. I think if you say you have concerns, she’ll admit to having them herself.

Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 17:23

@Threecrows sadly not - see update. X

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Seagrassbasket · 05/02/2024 17:24

I think you did absolutely the right thing OP. The toilet thing struck me as almost grooming behaviour - ‘mummy and daddy know I’m helping you in the toilet’ sort of thing. Really really concerning. I’m also glad you told her mum.

AInightingale · 05/02/2024 17:24

Why would a man in this day and age be so naive? Don't even (female) nursery school staff need to change children who have had an accident in pairs, in case of any repercussions?

There are some men out there with very strange fetishes and some outright predators with a sexual interest in children, and they do target single mothers. Your friend needs to be very careful.

TacaremboLaTumbaDelFuegoSantaMalipasZacatecas · 05/02/2024 17:24

Itslegitimatesalvage · 05/02/2024 17:09

I’m a single mum and right from the moment of becoming a single mum, I was hyper aware of men coming after me because I had very little children. Any men too excited by the idea, too inquisitive, too into playing dad were chucked right out of my life. I’ve been a single mum for 10 years, I didn’t date at all for 6 years (kids and a business) but the last few years I have dated and my kids haven’t met any of them. Even the one who lasted 8 months! It just isn’t happening. I’m not putting my kids through having men around when I’ve only known them a few months.

Im sorry to say it but your friend is an idiot. Having this man around her child so soon is just stupid but being completely unaware of the predatory men who absolutely look for women with little children just makes her an imbecile. And after this man’s behaviour… I would consider reporting it to social services just in case there is something in his past which links to this and allows them to act.

Your kids are so lucky to have you.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/02/2024 17:26

Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 17:21

@Puzzledandpissedoff
her mum and dad provides childcare a few days a fortnight and live within 15 minutes of her. She has tea with them at least once a week so they are much better placed to discuss with her DD, ask appropriate questions, and monitor for behaviour changes. They can also observe all interactions and form their own opinion.

my opinions are based on one day of first impressions and I REALLY would LOVE TO BE WRONG, ( which is rare).

Glad to hear it OP; I didn't want to assume they were close or had so much to do with the DD before you'd said, but clearly it's a plus in this case if only your friend listens

And yes we'd all love to be wrong with this sort of thing. FWIW I'm the very last to call someone a paedophile on the basis of a possible mistake, but with little children safety comes first

Seagrassbasket · 05/02/2024 17:26

Isn’t there a law now - you can look people up and see if they have any convictions?

TacaremboLaTumbaDelFuegoSantaMalipasZacatecas · 05/02/2024 17:29

@Seagrassbasket Sarah’s Law. But that only works if they’ve previously been caught.

Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 17:30

@AInightingale I actually spoke with a few of our male friends who all know our DD or are dads of kids of a similar age.

every single one of them said they would do absolutely anything to avoid ever being in a situation with an undressed/partially dressed child. Even though they have absolutely no Ill intention, they have no Desire to wipe any
extra butts OR put themselves in a position where any accusation could ever be made. I knew this was my DH position and did think it was common knowledge but it’s absolutely unanimous.

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susiedaisy1912 · 05/02/2024 17:32

Op I'm so glad you have spoken with your friend and her parents.

BMW6 · 05/02/2024 17:33

Well done OP, I'm especially glad that you've told her Mum of the incidents, they are on close contact and much better placed to raise concerns with the appropriate authorities over their stupid daughters head.

Her desperation for love will never trump her child's right to protection from perverts.

kcchiefette · 05/02/2024 17:34

Well done OP for voicing your concerns. You have now planted the seed and she will see the same red flags but it is now up to her to address it or ignore it.

The safety of a child would be more important than any friendship or relationship to me.

Not to alarm you, but it does sound like he is a predator.

The jumping at the chance to wipe a toddlers bum? Making an excuse to take your DD to the bathroom when she hasn't even said?

Predators do this to at best, have a peek to satisfy visual needs. At worst, its so they have an excuse to put hands on them.

They purposely seek out women with young children. They will come across as charming, taking a special shine to the children, helping and assisting with anything to do with said child - e.g. taking them to the toilet, bathing them or putting them to bed/getting dressed. They'll dress it up that they are "happy to help" and "lending a hand" despite not doing other things such as cleaning or cooking so mum can attend to her child instead.

Over worked single mums who often have had awful relationships or burned out, will accept the help, pulling the wool over their eyes as to what could potentially be going on, and they are so elated to have a partner who helps and "adores" their child.

Often, the mums continue this on and the child is abused throughout their childhood. They either grow up with a warped view of relationships and sexual conduct or they express what has happened and the mother usually chooses not to believe them.

I would contact NSPCC and local police non emergency just to let them know your concerns. If you know the DDs school/nursery it may be worthwhile contacting them to also flag on their side so they can be on the lookout from school/nursery for any safeguarding concerns or signs or abuse, as they are trained to look out for them and will see DD more often.

You can sleep easy knowing you did the right thing.

Theres a reason she asked in the first place. And I suspect she had doubts herself (maybe on something unrelated) but didnt want to believe them. She may be in denial yet accepting subconsciously what you are saying.

MoonWoman69 · 05/02/2024 17:36

Well done for the message to her OP, you did absolutely the right thing. Yes, you've sacrificed a friendship over it, but she's sacrificing her child for a briefly held relationship with a man with questionable intentions. I would hope her mother questions her behaviour now too or at least monitors things more closely.

Merryoldgoat · 05/02/2024 17:37

You are brilliant OP - I try to be direct but I’d have found this very difficult. You were amazing. Truly.

Minfilia · 05/02/2024 17:37

Beyond inappropriate and definitely creepy.

You did the right thing telling her.

Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 17:40

@Merryoldgoat
thank you. It did not feel amazing I can assure
you. Hoping now I’ve raised my concerns the constant nauseated feeling eases… barely slept last night wondering what to do!

actually I think I feel sick because I can’t believe my friend is choosing to be so blind and thick.

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thebestinterest · 05/02/2024 17:48

Op, I would have asked him what he was doing.
my gfs come over with their kids all the time, and I never jump up to change them or assist them with toileting… that’s very private and honestly, for their mums to do UNLESS I was asked, and I would most certainly have a chat with the child about whether they were okay with it!

Redcar78 · 05/02/2024 17:50

Don't downplay the brownie thing, what jumped out at me was the 'nice uncle and don't listen to mummy' it's a forced familiarity and not only undermines you but sounds like he's trying to develop a bond with your daughter by othering you, making her family the bad ones and him good, this is grooming.

ClareBlue · 05/02/2024 17:51

He offered to take her to the toilet when both her mum and dad were there. That's beyond weird and you definitely need to talk to your friend.

Phineyj · 05/02/2024 17:53

What @CoffeeMachineNewbie said.

Also, advise she does a Clare's Law on him.

Rockschooldropout · 05/02/2024 17:55

Well done on speaking to your friend and also her mum ,sadly you can be very intelligent yet very blinkered when it comes to relationships.. sadly if she’s still recovering from a previous DV situation.. if someone comes along treating her well and seemingly attentive to her dd he might seem like he’s heaven sent .
She may well have doubts though .. so let her process what you’ve said , sadly the desire to be loved can blinker some people to what is there in front of their face ..

jeaux90 · 05/02/2024 17:55

OP well done. Absolutely the right thing to do.

This man was eroding boundaries from the outset with you and your DC.

Your friend sounds like he has broken hers completely.

And well done for contacting her DM, interesting feedback from her.

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