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To answer my friend honestly about her partner

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Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 09:11

Context: My best friend from school and I have fairly infrequent contact now, but are both still available when one or other needs something ( like an opinion or a venting row about something). We don’t see each other much for geographical, familial commitment and conflicting work schedules. My friend has one child from a previous relationship which ended with acrimonious divorce and complex nasty custody battle.
When she met that person I did not like him, told her so nicely ( when she asked for my honest opinion- not unsolicited) and it changed our relationship for a long time. When she got divorced she actually confessed that my concerns about him had been entirely valid and she wished she had listened. I never hold this against her because we’ve all been guilty of being ‘rose tinted’ about partners at some point. After the divorce our relationship returned to how its was pre mariage.

She has a new partner of approximately one year. They appear very happy together and have moved in together- she plans to have another child ( his first bio) soon. He has fully accepted her daughter and has stepped into the ‘ dad’ role fully.

We arranged for us to all meet up recently and she wanted my honest opinion about him. I’m really torn about being honest with her again and potentially ruining our relationship or not acting on my gut and telling her a blasé “ yea he’s nice” answer.

I don’t have issues with everyone at all; in fact I can think of very few other people I don’t like. On the surface there is nothing to dislike about him. He’s polite and as above seemingly makes her feel good/ happy. I just didn’t warm to him initially and always trust my gut , but gave him benefit of doubt ( maybes he’s nervous etc).

However, my toddler took herself to the toilet in our house, then shouted for me when she needed her bum wiping ( as is normal for ourhouse) he got up at the same time as me and I assumed he was going to check on his step daughter who was playing alone in our house at that point. He wasn’t; he opened the toilet door and went to wipe my toddlers bum. Thankfully I was only a step behind him, slid myself between him and her and closed the door, saying that I would do it. My toddler looked terrified at someone she just met an hour earlier being in the bathroom with her ( she’s fairly shy and had barely spoken to him).
it made me REALLY uncomfortable, but I tried to think maybe he was just trying to be helpful although it couldn’t shake being uncomfortable.

later the same day me, my partner, my friend and the new boyfriend went for dinner with their 1 child, our toddler and our 8m old. During dinner our toddler asked her dad to pass some crayons, and the boyfriend seemingly misheard and said “ oh you need the toilet , I’ll take you, come on”. Before I even had chance to interject my partner had immediately said no and passed her the crayons she had actually asked for.

the boyfriend also undermined us several times ( for health reasons we don’t allow our toddler commercial desserts because we can’t measure the sugar in them) their daughter was having a dessert and we had said our toddler could have fruit ( she’s normally very happy with this), she had a bit of envy and asked why she couldn’t have chocolate brownies too and I explained it, she accepted it and then immediately after, the boyfriend said “ don’t listen to mummy uncle will buy you a brownie”. Again we stopped this, but there was a few incidents throughout the day of this nature.

I have real concerns as to his safety around small girls although I have nothing more than my opinion/ feelings to present to my friend.

my friend has text asking “ what do you think?”
would it be unreasonable based on the described incident above to answer her honestly saying that I have some concerns or should I give a safe answer of “ yeah he seems nice”.

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WimbyAce · 05/02/2024 18:55

GreenEyedMonsterMunch · 05/02/2024 18:11

Regardless of how she tried to excuse it when you brought it up, you've opened her eyes now. She will hopefully be more aware now and even if she believes you are completely wrong, she will be watching more carefully whether she thinks so or not.

Exactly this.

easylikeasundaymorn · 05/02/2024 18:55

well done OP. Your wording was great - clear and unambiguous and really good idea to mention it to her mum too.

diddl · 05/02/2024 19:05

diddl · 05/02/2024 18:42

Is she likely to listen or make excuses for him?

Talk to him & believe his excuses?

Even if you talk to her you still might need to tell SS?

Sorry Op had missed your update.

Hopefully her mum will be even more on the look out without alerting her daughter & resulting in her seeing less f her GD!

StartedWithACrisp · 05/02/2024 19:09

Even from a very basic thought that, most people wouldn't want to go anywhere near a child's shit, let alone someone who never met the child before that day, the parent is around, & are childless themselves so presumably not as used to toddler shit... it is all very very suspect. I would go with your gut and just tell her the story neutrally. Ask her what she thinks. You have then done the duty of providing her with the info. Just hope she isn't so desperate to keep him that she ignores the red flags. Maybe it will prompt her to speak to her daughter and check nothing unusual has happened.

StartedWithACrisp · 05/02/2024 19:10

Ooops didn't see the update

momonpurpose · 05/02/2024 19:11

Sadly the fact that when all 3 incidents happened your friend didn't say instantly what are you doing are you crazy tells me she'll be the type to put having a partner above her or any dc safety. It's a damn shame OP cares more about protecting friend's child then she does. I hope her mum can get thru to her. Well done OP

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 05/02/2024 19:12

That must have been a very stressful conversation, and it's upsetting that she's not speaking to you. However, there was clearly no way you could let him near your kids again so you would have ended up having to distance yourself without saying why. Either way your friendship is damaged. Well done for doing it, that really can't have been easy.

For perspective, I have twice wiped the bum of a child I am not related to. Both reception age children who were over her for a playdate without parents. The first was years ago, she'd done a big hard poo that had really hurt and was upset. She asked my daughter to come and get me to help. The second was recently when a neighbours kid was over and she just hasn't quite got the hang of wiping herself after a wee yet (she's a bit young to be over without her parents but we've known her since she was a baby and she asked if she could have a grown up playdate), she asked my ten year old to do it who was horrified and rushed to get me. On both occasions I felt awkward, but concluded that the kid needed help from a responsible adult and I was the only one available. On both occasions I explained what had happened to the parent when they came to collect.

In an emergency of course you can't refuse to help a child in that situation, but to rush to get there ahead of the parent for a child you've only just met is very inappropriate.

MrsDoubtfire3000 · 05/02/2024 19:31

Massive creepy creep - please say something!
good luck

Toptotoe · 05/02/2024 19:32

Maybe you could tactfully suggest she does a Clare’s Law application?

Unicorntastic · 05/02/2024 19:33

Well done OP, that must have been nerve wracking, the very fact she was defending him shows to me that she knows on some level, even if she won’t do anything about it.
that poor child.

Noseybookworm · 05/02/2024 19:35

I would definitely tell her about the toilet thing. It's very odd and uncomfortable behaviour. How old is her daughter? Is he bathing/toileting her? Be prepared that your friend probably won't want to hear it and may distance herself from you as a result. But your conscience will be clear and it's up to her what she does about it.

Milsteen · 05/02/2024 19:35

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I agree with this. Why on earth so many women rush to move their partners in (and then fall pregnant) is beyond me.

Milsteen · 05/02/2024 19:39

Just read your update OP.

Well done for speaking truthfully to your friend.

romdowa · 05/02/2024 19:43

Well done op. I can't imagine how hard it was to have that conversation but you've now done all you can. The rest is up to her

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 05/02/2024 19:50

Actually, rereading your account if the conversation, I think her saying you've put her in an impossible position is encouraging. She's not said outright that she's never speaking to you again. I think you have successfully planted the seed of doubt. She was never going to say thank you for pointing it out and she'll dump him immediately. It's going to take her a while to process. Telling her mum too was a good idea. I do hope she sees sense.

Emptyheadlock · 05/02/2024 19:52

He is absolutely grooming in plain sight.

You have done the right thing. She clearly puts men before her dc so imo, you need to escalate further.

I would report to nursery and ss.

Alargeoneplease89 · 05/02/2024 19:53

Just reading your update and you absolutely done the right thing.

SunflowerSeeds123 · 05/02/2024 19:55

You've done all you can, and I think you and your DH are correct in your assumptions.

It's a shame your friend can't see it.

When I saw your first post it gave me the immediate ick. I would have reacted the same way.

The balls in her court. Also the fact her mum had queasy vibes says a lot.

TickingKey46 · 05/02/2024 19:56

His behaviour is totally not normal, very very strange. Have you googled him at all? Or done any digging??!.
What does he do as a living? Hopefully nothing with children.
He's way way to forthright and clearly had no boundaries. What ever his intentions are, his behaviour is a cause of concern.

pikkumyy77 · 05/02/2024 19:57

OP you did the right thing-and thank goodness you did. Hopefully now her parents are alerted there will be some chance for more pressure on her to look critically at his behavior.

Lwrenn · 05/02/2024 20:28

OP hi, I'm very proud of you.

I've worked with child sex offenders as a support worker and I also sadly through various walks of life met many of them. I have taken children into my home that have been abused as a guardian for them. So I've done courses looking for risks as well as the good old "gut feeling" so I tend to know when something is off. Actually I'm not giving myself credit, I have always known.
I unfortunately know a lot of nonces, is my point and I also know a lot of people who aren't.
I can say with extreme confidence the only time I've ever encountered someone with the behaviour that you describe, it has been from someone with a predilection towards children and they've been predatory enough to act up on their fantasies about kids.

I hope she listens to you but the fact she's vulnerable in relationships makes me suspect she won't, some women are happy to use their dc as bait to keep a fella. (This was the case for the child I had live with me)

You've done the right thing. I would bet my last fiver that this man is a paedophile. And quite honestly, even if he's just a creep with piss poor boundaries it's irrelevant, their is a risk of uncertainty there and no child deserves to be collateral damage whilst we sit around and find out if he's a danger or not. You've 100% done the correct thing and don't doubt it.
No risk is worth taking when it comes to the safety of children.

Rewis · 05/02/2024 20:45

Well done op! Honestly, it would have been weirder if she would have been totally on board with what you're saying. That would mean she actively knew there was something wrong with him. She needs to process what has been said and she will now start noticing things.

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Seagrassbasket · 05/02/2024 21:00

OP the more I think about this the more I think you should maybe call the police. Or do a Clare’s Law check yourself - do you know his full name?

All of it - the toilet, the boundary eroding, calling himself fucking ‘uncle’ the first time he met your kid….. it’s giving me the shivers.

The only thing that makes me think he’s just got no sense of how to behave around families is that if he is a bloody nonce he’s not a very careful one is he. It’s all a bit obvious. Maybe he’s never come across a woman/person with decent boundaries around her kid before!

But yeah. I’m not sure I’d be able to let this one lie.

Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 21:11

@Seagrassbasket i don’t know his full name, but I can probably get it from her mum: the Clare’s/ Sarah law thing is great but wouldn’t reassure me even if nothing was found because… it just means he’s not been caught.

I am quite ‘formidable’ when it comes to my kids because my primary objective is to keep them safe forever. Ironically I regularly tell strangers bluntly not to touch my baby, but actually in every other area of my life I’m very keen to avoid conflict. It must be a mama bear thing!

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