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Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies

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ABCDEFGHIJK123456 · 05/02/2024 07:36

Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies whilst apparently separating fighting bully pups.

Longer jail sentences, minimum of 5 years for owners of dogs that kill people for not controlling them.

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TheGoogleMum · 05/02/2024 09:41

I don't think anyone should own dogs capable of killing. It doesn't matter how soft they are, if they can kill humans so easily they shouldn't be living in our houses

hotdiggetydog · 05/02/2024 09:43

BoobyDazzler · 05/02/2024 07:41

The owner looks like your typical XL bully owning scrote too, doesn’t he.

What a horrible, sneering thing to say.

Mrsjayy · 05/02/2024 09:43

TheGoogleMum · 05/02/2024 09:41

I don't think anyone should own dogs capable of killing. It doesn't matter how soft they are, if they can kill humans so easily they shouldn't be living in our houses

I agree these dogs are not pets and clearly this household had a breeding pair of them!

RubyEarWax · 05/02/2024 09:44

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NewOrder · 05/02/2024 09:45

hotdiggetydog · 05/02/2024 09:43

What a horrible, sneering thing to say.

Sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason

Mrsjayy · 05/02/2024 09:47

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I just googled him it wasn't clear on the news who the owners were , but yep an absolute scrote.

SomeCatFromJapan · 05/02/2024 09:47

Separating puppies with a broom is NOT something that will get you killed by a normal dog breed.

And in any case it would only be the mother that reacted, dogs aren't k own for their paternal instinct.
That male dog just joined in a killing frenzy as that was its breed instinct.

RubyEarWax · 05/02/2024 09:47

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ShoePalaver · 05/02/2024 09:49

MeMyBooksAndMyCats · 05/02/2024 07:44

And people still claim they are "family friendly" dogs. They may be friendly but any dog can snap, but their bite/jaws are way to strong to be allowed really. Should be a ban on breeding them so the breed dies out quickly.

There is a ban on breeding them but it only started on 31st January

TallulahBetty · 05/02/2024 09:49

He should be up for murder.

Destroy the whole breed - they have NO redeeming features. Ugly, powerful, aggressive brutes.

jasflowers · 05/02/2024 09:50

PaulCostinRIP · 05/02/2024 09:11

According to one family member the puppies were playing and getting rough and the son told the grandmother to separate them using a broom and that's when both of the adult dogs intervened and attacked her.

So whilst there are mitigating factors for the dogs to believe they were protecting the puppies the fact is that the son was utterly clueless in the raising of the puppies and not being able to control the adult dogs under these circumstances.

The dogs that attacked are also victims as they should not have been in the care of someone who has poor knowledge of dog behaviour.

I wonder what will happen to the puppies.

These dogs cannot be "controlled" & there are no mitigating factors at all.

The "Dogs are victims too" FFS!

Unbelievable.

Normal dogs don't rip people apart because they feel their pups are threatened.

A dog behavioural expert was on the radio this morning, he pointed out that most dogs attack out of fear, but Bullies attack because that is in their DNA, they have no fear of anything.

Walker1178 · 05/02/2024 09:50

I think this case just highlights the issues people had with the ban. Responsible owners have complied with the restrictions. The idiots that haven’t are the ones that have created an unstable animal for status. We’re going to carry on seeing fatal dog attacks as once they have exhausted this breed, they’ll move onto the next.

The law needs changing to restrict the owners not the dogs

Mrsjayy · 05/02/2024 09:50

we have a "scrote" living at the end of our street with a massive dog it's clearly not a pet !

TallulahBetty · 05/02/2024 09:50

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She's probably been killed by it.

TallulahBetty · 05/02/2024 09:51

hotdiggetydog · 05/02/2024 09:43

What a horrible, sneering thing to say.

And yet true.

Devilshands · 05/02/2024 09:51

ABCDEFGHIJK123456 · 05/02/2024 08:02

Question to the 4% of voters who feel the owner of these dogs that kill shouldn't be sent down for 5 years minimum. Surely it's a lethal weapon?

What's your view then, the 4%?

Life.

They use the dogs as a weapon - that is the ONLY reason to have this breed. The intent is for this dog to ‘protect’ and be a weapon, to make the sad owners feel better about their tiny micropenis.

They should get life. Five years is not enough

GaroTheMushroom · 05/02/2024 09:52

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They will, it’s all over my local Facebook page people defending them and it being the owner not the breed and “little dogs are just as bad and bite just as much” maybe but I know which one I would rather take the chance with.

Whatsgoingonwithmyhead · 05/02/2024 09:52

There have been so many warnings about the dangers of XLs, I believe anyone who ignores the warnings then their XL kills they should face murder / manslaughter charges. Same as if you carried a knife or gun & killed someone.

thebabessavedme · 05/02/2024 09:52

Looking at the pictures my thoughts are that he is at nearly 40, an immature 'gangster wannabe' whose selfish and ignorant attitude 'no tells me what to do with my fucking dogs', has caused a woman to lose her life and his own child the most terrible trauma.

How he lives with himself now after all the damage he has caused I cannot imagine, though I suspect he won't give a shit.

NewOrder · 05/02/2024 09:53

If an animal can overpower a grown adult male then they should be banned.

SinnerBoy · 05/02/2024 09:53

I think it's both the owners and the breed.

Hereyoume · 05/02/2024 09:53

So much hysteria on this thread.

Dogs are animals, they have sentience, they behave like, well, animals. You cannot hold a person responsible for murder or manslaughter because a dog has killed someone. From the dogs point of view a person is just another animal, and animals kill other animals, sometimes for food, sometimes for territory, sometimes animals even kill and eat their own young.

If someone climbs a fence at a zoo and sticks their arm inside a tigers cage, we don't blame the tiger for ripping their arm off, we would all say how stupid the person was. But for some reason people don't seem to be able to apply the same logic to dogs. XL dogs are selective bread to be as big, strong and aggressive as possible, so it's not really a surprise that so many people are killed by them. It's like keeping a lion in your house. You know how cats like to play with toys and sometimes scratch an bite people, but a tabby isn't going to kill anyone, a lion however, behaving in exactly the same way absolutely would kill you. But they're both still cats. Same difference between a jack russel and an XL.

Blaming owners for a dogs behaviour is just nonsense, dogs are animals, they think for themselves. BUT, some dogs are dangerous, like some cats are dangerous, depends on the size of the animal. So a better solution would be to pass a law criminalising the possession of certain berrds who by their very nature are exceptionally dangerous, such as the XL.

So, let's say a MINIMUM term of imprisonment for anybody found in possession/ownership/control of known dangerous dog breeds. And all animals of type PTS, without exception. That way we could ensure the "extinction" of those breeds.

Remember, we actually allow people to train dogs to attack and bite people, and we pay them to do it. So it's a little hypocritical to ignore police dogs and their behaviour, but suddenly call for the imprisonment of "Dave" who's Alsation got a little bit over excited at the park and knocked a kid over.

Æthelred · 05/02/2024 09:53

An "Aspiring rapper" at 39. What a waste of space this individual is.

TallulahBetty · 05/02/2024 09:54

The poor grandson has already lost his mum, now he's watched his granny die in a horrific way. He should be taken from the dad, who is clearly not a responsible parent